Executions in Iran

[Abu Ruman]

Picture of a woman brutally subjected to the recent 'moral' crackdown:

According to a respectable women’s rights group, today, Sunday, both in the morning and later in the evening, following the summer veil program, a group of Police officers got involved in physical struggle with the girls they questioned for their “immodesty”. According to eye wittinesses, the officers were trying to arrest the girls, but because of their restraint, a few men on the scene got involved in the incident.

A shopkeeper in 7-Tir square in Tehran mentioned later “The officers questioned three girls, aged 25- 30, for their veils. The questioning was so harsh that they reacted. A female officer started pulling a girl’s hand to get her in the police patrol, but she refused. Then, a male officer attacked the girl. That was when others got involved. The girls were taken away by passing cars safe from the police. They got into civilian cars while they had no covering and their cloths were torn away,

A taxi driver also said “In the morning, while the police was brutally questioning a girl, her cries for help enraged other people”. He also said that when the second incident happened, a mother and daughter were hit by the Police. While showing their injured faces to the people, they took off their veils. The two ladies have reportedly captured the incident on tape. The picture above shows one of the ladies.

Taking off their veils when the Police questions them for improper veils is becoming a trend in Iran. A similar incident, ten days ago, was caught on tape and posted on Youtube.

Bless our brave women for standing up with courage against their amoral oppressors.

I wish more Muslim women in the world rallied up behind them, as they vibrantly do behind the women in France.

[lebanesecanadian]

Originally Posted by Xena

what i don't like about those articles is the diabolisation of Iran as if the world around us is heaven!! why can't we find similar articles talking about saudis, Turkey (honor crimes)...etc... is it because they're allies?

Originally Posted by Xena

wlak eh i know! i wasn't talking about you!
i was talking about those articles we always read and it's only about Iran!
i'm saying that because here in Belgium my friends always bring me articles dealing with those things in Iran, and never in Saudi Arabia, or Egypt or the gulf!

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bass, i just don't like the way Iran is being picked at!
when there's a political advantage behind it for people i don't support, i just can't participate in the bashing!

Originally Posted by Abufijli

The real beef I have with these topics is that the are concentrating on one country while ignoring the rest of the world. Unfortunately, this is done for political purposes and not for the purpose of advancing human rights, if that was the case and the west really showed that it cared about human rights just for the sanctity of our rights then I would throw all my support behind them. I just can not see past the hypocrisy in our world today.

Abu Ruman, how do you say victimization in Persian?


AbuFijli and Xena, cry me a river, will you???? It hasn't been two weeks since I posted this thread about KSA that made it to BBC, a mainstream Tv station and it wasn't about some official law passed to murder all participants in an industry but just a statistic. I'm sure both of you saw it but here it is again: http://www.lfpm.org/forum/showthread.php?t=25672

I also posted news about US conservatives trying to block cancer vaccine for girls:http://www.lfpm.org/forum/showthread.php?t=26065 . So your whole targeting argument is gtting staler by the minute.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Wow Dalzi, based on our last discussion, I am surprised. If it is that simple for you to just blame everything on the 'Israeli agents', then there is not much to say. I mean, how does one debate that? It is not debatable.

And just for the record, Amnesty International has documented these names I listed (there was an entire BBC documentary on 16 year old Ateqeh..perhaps zionist too?). Unless you want me to believe that Amnesty International (which has criticized Israel many times) is also run by zionists.

International media is run by zionists. Everything against Iran is run by zionists.

It is even more [hilariously] ironic that you incriminate the dissidents with 'bowing down to war' when most of these people (I listed) have vocalized their opposition to a military solution and were vehement opponents of the Shah. All they have asked for is an end to this regime's human rights violations too.

This regime is "HUMAN RIGHTS".

Also, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim (from SCIRI in Iraq) and members of Iraqi Da'wa Party also supported military invasion in Iraq. Does that make them zionist too? Or people arguing for end to human rights?

Zionists. American agents.

It is interesting when the media reports Israeli planes bombing Lebanese villages, people (including me) jump to call human rights violations against Israel, but when the same media exposes the human rights violations in Iran (including hanging 16 year old Ateqeh, which received international outcry in 2004 and a pulitzer prize for the photo documenting the execution of a dozen Kurdish prisoners) the apologists hypocritically condone it by claiming 'its all false media propaganda.'

Remarkable...

Yes remarkable indeed. Why this war on Iran? Isn't it because they do not acknowledge Israel's right to exist? Does it take a genius to figure this out!

P.S. I dare you to innocently look at a woman in Iran who has lost her child to her ex-husband and cannot see him again until the kid is 18. I just dare you. Simply because Khomeini says its right, does not make it right. If Khomeini says 'pigs can fly', that doesnt necessarily mean pigs can fly. Just use your conscience for once.

This is Islam. Let them learn to live by it. Islam gives custody of children to the father, not the mother. If Khomeini says pigs fly, then pigs fly. Who are you to critisize a man like Khomeinie!!! walla zaman!

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

Dalzi, that can't be a serious statement on your part. The difference between respect & persecution is like day & night. I think Abu Ruman & Stella covered this issue extensively in their posts, and I have nothing to add. I'm sure you know that I'm not exactly the "liberal type", especially when it comes to social issues. But respecting and recognizing womens rights has nothing to do with conservatism or liberalism, but humanity.

Women in Iran have their full rights, they are respected and treated as Islam calls for women to be treated. Let America mind its own business and give democracy to its Arab allies where women are "treasured" . Maybe they can at least have the right to walk.

This propaganda and these lies cannot be kept away from those who know what Iran exactly is. Follow and listen to what you like; but remember that a society where a women is an object is a place where she's trashed.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Do you have family who were executed by Khomeini? Do you have friends who were imprisoned and tortured by Khomeini? Go to the Iranian source, go to Iranian people fleeing their homeland, if there is anything righteous in the truth you will find it from them.

No, I don't have family members who stand with America and Israel against the rise of Islam.

I have no right to sit here and speak on the behalf of Lebanese, when innocent Lebanese are on TV trying to tell the world the truth of their plight (be it against Syria or Israel).

Many innocent Iranians were persecuted and murdered by this regime. Some, for just being of a certain religious denomination, others for holding on to opposing ideologies or whatever.

Abu Ruman, shou you're trying to hide facts??? We all know how Iran came to be!

There are endless documents by human rights organizations, confirming all of this. They have made arguments in front of the whole world.

It is disgusting that all in the name of religion, people blindly follow one leader and uncritically accept anything he said. If he told people Israel had a weather machine causing the rain, they would believe it. And then I find it more hypocritical when these same people come on TV and preach their religion as being 'peaceful.'

You're an atheist, so how are you supposed to know about religion???

Anyone who studies Khomeini knows he was anything but peaceful. The only people who disagree with this are his blind religious followers.

What can I say? lol

If you love Khomeini, then great. Take him (just imagine what his utopian Islamic state, would do to Lebanon). For us Iranians, we dont want him (especially the youth who had nothing to do with him).

P.S. No one is stating false claims against Khomeini. There is as much legitimacy in that statement as there is in calling Israel the victim (since I know how you feel about that biased claim). We are only stating facts.

All claims against him are LIES.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Stella

Dalzi!!!!!!!!! I thought I cant believe my eyes!! How come they are not persecuted? With religious and dress code police in their back? If they try to wear other than chador, meaning a nice and lil fashionable but no way all showing clothes, then why are they caught on the middle of the street and then put into jail??? Is it that kind of protection you want for women??

Who says they can't wear other than chador! LOL... Get over your sources Stella. Lies, lies, lies, lies.

pffff they are persecuted and if they happen to raise their voices they get life enprisonment or something alike!!!

They aren't allowed to be sluts. That's all.

I still celebrate all those women and men in Iran who are fighting and resisting the extremist regime which is opressing their own citizens, and creating just frustration and twisted societies.

What a pity, Iran could be among the best countries, a heaven for tourists, they are wasting their chances away.....

I fully support the current regime in Iran. I have close Iranian friends who are students doing PhD's here in Sydney. They are with the government and they are very open minded and free. Isreali lovers will never say anything positive about Iran and this is a fact.

On another note, Najad called for people to visit Iran and see for themselves.

Originally Posted by Stella

Xean,

a sexual relationship is an essence of a normal relationship, thus making one healthy in body and spirit as well. if you oppress these needs, you will get sick, both in body and mentally as well

porn business is an anomalie, what shall be treated, as big bro said.

i read articles about Turkey, I dont remember about KSA.

What does this have to do with prostitution? Sexual freedom has limits according to religion, and Iran abides by religion, so we cannot expect them to establish brothels next to mosques.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

International media is run by zionists. Everything against Iran is run by zionists.

Except when their news leaves a critical impression against Israel (which has happened dozens of times), then its legitimate. Right? Or let me guess, it fluctuates and anything they say against Iran is some sort of sponetaneous interjection by Israeli agents, but when they criticize Israel, then its very truthful and unaffected by zionist intervention. That is the natural thumb of rule. Correct?

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This regime is "HUMAN RIGHTS".

Executing a 16 year old girl is not 'human rights.' For some reason, Amnesty International, the BBC (which made a documentary on it) and the whole world acknowledges this, except someone like you.

How fooled we all are. Please enlighten us with your knowledge.

Give me one shred of evidence why Israel is a violator of human rights and Iran isnt? Why when BBC and the Guardian presented pictures and coverage on the massacre in Qana, it was 'truthful journalism' but when the same BBC and Guardian document the execution of a 16 year old girl then its automatically by default 'zionist propaganda.' Does this logical asymmetery never cross your mind, not even once?

I am an intellectually honest person and I recognize human rights violations on BOTH fronts. I do not cherry-pick. I am honest in my criticism.

How different are you from those who deny human rights violations on the part of the Israeli government, all under the pretext of 'its Arab-Islamic propaganda and lies against Israel' because 'they want to annihilate Israel, thats why' ? How different is their tone from yours?

Yes remarkable indeed. Why this war on Iran? Isn't it because they do not acknowledge Israel's right to exist? Does it take a genius to figure this out!

Let them deny Israel. That is a foreign issue. What does a war on Iran have to do with the government executing a 16 year old Iranian girl????? The latter is an internal issue, unrelated to the external foreign policy. Do you care about Iranians? Then why dont you care about this girl? Why should you dare to ask people to care about Lebanese villages in the south, that were flattened by Israeli bombs, but not care about a girl who was executed in Iran? There is not one single human rights organization which negates this. It drew international outcry.

And on what basis is the news coverage exposing the crimes of Israeli airstrikes in southern Lebanon considered 'facts' and BBC coverage on the execution of a 16 year old Iranian girl considered 'zionist propaganda' ?????

Please address this last paragraph specifically and dont dodge it. I want a direct answer. []

This is Islam. Let them learn to live by it. Islam gives custody of children to the father, not the mother. If Khomeini says pigs fly, then pigs fly. Who are you to critisize a man like Khomeinie!!! walla zaman!

If Khomeini says pigs fly, pigs can fly, ok, then great. Thanks for admitting that the power of the human brain has no role in our existence, when weighed against Khomeini.

Do you have a daughter or son? How would you feel if they were given to your ex-husband, without right of seeing them until they're grown up? If you're fine with it, good for you. Just dont support the imposition of it on others.

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[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

No, I don't have family members who stand with America and Israel against the rise of Islam.

Who said they're with Israel? Most of these people SUPPORTED the revolution and opposed the Shah. Alot of them were Mossadeghists and leftists. Who said anything about supporting Israel???

Were the Shi'ites whom Saddam executed also 'supporters of Israel' (since Saddam was anti-Israeli and based on your ingenious logic, that would automatically categorize his victims as being 'pro-Israeli')???

For once, read a book on this instead of responding 'they're zionists..they're zionists..they're zionists..'

Abu Ruman, shou you're trying to hide facts??? We all know how Iran came to be!

No you dont. Show me one (and I repeat one) piece of evidence to your [] claims legitimizing the execution of political prisoners.

All you have said is 'they're pro Israeli' when there is not a shred of evidence (especially since leftists have always been ANTI ISRAEL) to suffice to this absurd of a claim.

You're an atheist, so how are you supposed to know about religion???

So was Karen Armstrong. But apparently here opinions on religion/Islam are welcome with open arms

All claims against him are LIES.

According to your logic: All claims against Israel are lies.

There is absolutely nothing in your logic to suggest otherwise.

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[Dalzi]

Look, you're an anti-Islamic person, so no use arguing with you. And about that BBC coverage []. No one knows what was exactly happening there but the people who lived it. What did they show? The chemicals that they bombed?! As for Khomeini saying pigs fly, if he says so, then he must've discovered some unknown aspect of the ability of pigs to fly. The man had a brain, []

Now for the custody, this is Islamic law. And yes, the media is owned by zionists. Go read books yourself.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Look, you're an anti-Islamic person, so no use arguing with you. And about that BBC coverage []. No one knows what was exactly happening there but the people who lived it. What did they show? The chemicals that they bombed?! As for Khomeini saying pigs fly, if he says so, then he must've discovered some unknown aspect of the ability of pigs to fly. The man had a brain, []

Now for the custody, this is Islamic law. And yes, the media is owned by zionists. Go read books yourself.

What books on Iran are you familiar with or have read? Please list them for me. I'm very interested to know. Really, I am.

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How did you educate people on the situation in southern Lebanon? You obvously cited media articles, certain anti-Israeli coverage, and others sources. But when those same sources apply that same level of criticism against you beloved Islamic government in Iran, then its 'zionist propaganda' in your eyes. Just admit it. How else have you argued with people about this subject (on this forum for example). Are you telling me you've never made reference to an entire article on Israel's occupation, in your life? Come on now..

And YES no one knows what happened in Iran EXCEPT the people who LIVED IT. For some reason, you think in the case of Iran, it makes those victims 'zionist agents' but when its Lebanese who experienced suffering in the south, then they were just 'victims of zionism.'

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And thanks for also expressing your indifference to the notion of having your children taken away from you. [] I do appreciate that, to be honest with you.

P.S. the retort on me being anti-Islamic was a very cheap shot at ad hominem. I suggest you dont mention it again, for your sake.