Executions in Iran

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Stella

Fortunately not everybody thinks like you.

I support the freedom fighters of Iran who want to bring down ANajad! May they fight with the ink or weapons, I hope their cause will succeed.

Why do you need to drag US and Iraq into this. We were talking about iranian women who are beaten and persecuted, and in first hand frustrated socitites where the anomalies enhances the porn business.

I drag the USA into this because it is the spearhead of the group who is after Iran. For me it is complete hypocrisy to ask Iran to do anything while the police man of the world is a rampaging power ravaging the world. That is our number one problem in this world. there is no other problem as big. If the USA is not stopped we will all suffer and be destroyed. If Iran was not being targeted by the world around it for trying to be independent then I would not hold this position I am holding today. I am unwilling to support any action with regards to Iran as long as their are ulterior motives. The Iranian regime was elected and there was a referendum the Iranian people voted on and asked for the Islaimc state. it is not your job or mine or the US's to change the regime in Iran.

If you truley support freedom fighters, which you do not unless they were against muslims, you would support the people of Venezuela, Lebanon, Palestinians. But I see that your support is against muslims. That is something you try to hide but you are not good at hiding it.

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Forget USA. Lets talk human rights. Lets talk about a people living under the violation of those human rights and who want to rise up against those violations.

Imagine a woman walking alongside her child (with hijab too mind you) in the street and a big, misogynist security man walks up to her, harasses her because for him she's not dressed 'Islamic enough' and then starts beating her in the street, in front of her child, until blood is dripping down his face (which again, is based on evidence I've seen recently and circulating around the world).

What kind of life is this? If you love Iranian people as your brothers, then stand up for them, not their government. Their government is corrupt and authoritarian, but they the people are righteous and sincere in their struggle against this corruption. The students who died protesting against the government are the true shahoda They are the ones we should support.

I totally agree with you that this is unacceptable, but like I said to Stelaa, let us deal with the real problem in this world first, and I will support you in your fight against Iranian oppression.

[Stella]

Sadly women has not equal rights in the so called islamic countries. In another thread many of you prooved they are not true muslims if they dont respect women or abuse them, so these countries are not even true islamic ones. The hypocrites, aside abusing their own ppl, they bring shame to their religion too.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Its not a big deal when women are arrested for dressing accordingly with the dictum of their own conscience (even with hijab on), its not a big deal when laws are passed granting automatic custody of children to men over women (so they never see their kids), and its not a big deal when a woman's testimony in Iran is considered half of a man's.

But when they pass a low in France to ban hijab (which the majority support, via elective represenatives, as the argument goes) then thats not ok.

I cant believe this hypocrisy. People should practice what they preach.

In Australia, a woman gets half her husbands life earnings, even if he made that money before he met her, and even if she was sleeping with another man in his bed. Is that fair?

I have said this previously, but enforcing hijab is wrong, so is enforcing non hijab wearing. People should be free to choose, just like Islam says.

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[Stella]

Lets not mix here foreign and internal politics.

Abusing, beating and persecuting women is an internal political/sociological issue, has nothing to do with USA or Iraq.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

I totally agree with you that this is unacceptable, but like I said to Stelaa, let us deal with the real problem in this world first, and I will support you in your fight against Iranian oppression.

Ok, thats fair. But in regard to your argument for mentioning America, I want you to know that the biggest patriot in Iranian history is Mohammad Mossadegh (bless him). He was against American and British intervention in Iran and that is why they got rid of him. At the same time, Mossadegh respected the rights of women, considered them equal to men, and treated everyone as equals under the secular state.

So you see, there were other great Iranian figures who were against occupation and intervention from abroad, yet respected the dignity and freedom of conscience of every Iranian individual.

Why the Islamic government in Iran cant emulate this ethical model, I do not know.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

In Australia, a woman gets half her husbands life earnings, even if he made that money before he met her, and even if she was sleeping with another man in his bed. Is that fair?

I have said this previously, but enforcing hijab is wrong, so is enforcing non hijab wearing. People should be free to choose, just like Islam says.

A

No thats not fair (and I am against it). But lets be honest, from the standpoint of marriage (at least Islamically) which holds the man as the money-maker and the woman as the mother and care-taker, that seems more plausible for the woman and respects her dignity more - but only in that context of pure marriage values.

And in a world where woman constantly suffer, thats a first..

Still, thats not the same as taking away a woman's kids or stating her intelligence as half that of a man's, during a court hearing. In my opinion, Iranian history has demonstrated far more potential than Australia's (if what you tell me is true on that inheritance issue) and that is why I think we should not sink so low. We should return to the time where man and woman, Muslim and non-Muslim were treated as equals, no matter what (including issues of inheritance).

But thank you for conceding with the struggle of woman in Iran. I respect that.

[Stella]

A,

I support freedom fighters who are fighting against dictatorial regimes.

I support the freedom fighters of Venezuela too, who aim to bring down the regime of Chavez.

But no way will I support so called freedom fighters whose aim is just to implement another type of extremist regime.

Is it clearer now?

And stop your accusations, you are speaking against yourself with it.

[Xena]

what i don't like about those articles is the diabolisation of Iran as if the world around us is heaven!! why can't we find similar articles talking about saudis, Turkey (honor crimes)...etc... is it because they're allies?

ok maybe the only reason i support the iranian international policies is because for me they represent a balance of terror considering the presence of israel!

that being said, i don't support their ideology, and i know i can't live there nor i want lebanon to become like that!... let's be honest, who wants to be stripped from certain rights! i am totally against the ideology!

However...eno why are you shocked? do you think Iran would empower porn stars rights?

oh yeah one more thing... those who said that they want to keep men frustrated so they can be easily manipulated... Are you actually suggesting that only those who have sex are free men? shou hal logic hayda?

[Abu Ruman]

No one is condoning Saudia or Turkey's policies.

I can pick on them too (starting with Saudi Arabia).

Wrong is wrong and thats where we're drawing the line. Not to mention, the thread topic is about Iran.

[Stella]

Xean,

a sexual relationship is an essence of a normal relationship, thus making one healthy in body and spirit as well. if you oppress these needs, you will get sick, both in body and mentally as well

porn business is an anomalie, what shall be treated, as big bro said.

i read articles about Turkey, I dont remember about KSA.