Executions in Iran

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

That is not true, yiu have been taught lies. In Iran women can wear fashionable items, tight clothing, young men have earings etc.. etc...

Obviously you have not heard of the recent moral crackdown initiated by the Ahmadinejad administration. I suggest you read up on it (its no joke).

There are actual police in the streets making sure that women are dressed 'extra-Islamic' (as if they're not Islamic enough already).

Many people have been arrested and beaten in the streets this month.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Obviously you have not heard of the recent moral crackdown initiated by the Ahmadinejad administration. I suggest you read up on it (its no joke).

There are actual police in the streets making sure that women are dressed 'extra-Islamic' (as if they're not Islamic enough already).

Many people have been arrested and beaten in the streets this month.

My statement stands, women and men in Iran wear fashionable clothing items.

Anyway, if I did not like the laws of a country I live in, I can always leave it. In the US of A there are oppressive policies and laws also, same with every country on earth, if the US is going to worry about the freedom of the poeple of the world, it should start off by fixing its own mess in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, the Patriot Act etc...

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Saddam Hussein's Iraq is not Iran. In Iran people vote for their representatives. People in Iran voted for the constitution and the establishment of an Islamic state.

No my friend. I dare you to ask this government to throw out a referendum asking what all Iranians think of this law.

I also dare you to also ask them if they want mollahs ruling. If the government is not afraid of the people's reaction, then they will do such a thing.

How come more than 1000 different political candidates (of mass support from the people) were barred from running in the last presidential elections? I thought its representative democracy? Why those 1000 were not allowed to run?

I'll tell you why: because its selective democracy, not elective democracy.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

My statement stands, women and men in Iran wear fashionable clothing items.

Anyway, if I did not like the laws of a country I live in, I can always leave it. In the US of A there are oppressive policies and laws also, same with every country on earth, if the US is going to worry about the freedom of the poeple of the world, it should start off by fixing its own mess in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo, the Patriot Act etc...

It is one thing to observe dress laws in a country and it is completely another to go around beating people in the streets for not dressing 'morally.'

I have not seen such violent behavior in other democratic countries. And any country that regulates it should be investigated by the international community for crimes against humanity. You should just look at the photos I've seen recently, of women battered in the streets and speak to me of 'observing laws.'

One senator in America has suggested passing a law to ban certain dress styles. Tell me what part of the American constitution legalizes beating someone in the streets (let alone a woman, in front of her young child) for not observing that dress code (if its passed)?

Its called human rights. And it draws a fine line between laws and behavior of injustice.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

That is not true, yiu have been taught lies. In Iran women can wear fashionable items, tight clothing, young men have earings etc.. etc...

Abufijli, please ignore the propaganda created to protect Amhmedinajad.

You are questioning here now respectable scholars and freedom fighters in Iran, who raise their voices, and pay with their lives in order to bring down the extremist regime. And yes, women can not wear anything they like, Iran has a religious and dress code police. They check up on women they dont like on the streets, if they are lucky they can get away with a penalty, if not, they end up in jail.

Just imagine something like that in the free socities, in Sydney for example or Lebanon as well. Wouldnt you want for the Iranians as well to live freely?

We shall support those resistants with every mean! They are the only ones who can reform Iran, and ensure a better future. I hope they will be ever numerous!

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

It is one thing to observe dress laws in a country and it is completely another to go around beating people in the streets for not dressing 'morally.'

I have not seen such violent behavior in other democratic countries. And any country that regulates it should be investigated by the international community for crimes against humanity. You should just look at the photos I've seen recently, of women battered in the streets and speak to me of 'observing laws.'

One senator in America has suggested passing a law to ban certain dress styles. Tell me what part of the American constitution legalizes beating someone in the streets (let alone a woman, in front of her young child) for not observing that dress code (if its passed)?

Its called human rights. And it draws a fine line between laws and behavior of injustice.

I personally do not agree wit this policy, but I can not make judgement on Iran while the rest of the world has its own huge problems. USA has no right to interfere with other countries, nor does anybody else. If you are willing to critisize Iran and call them every name under the sun then you should be able to do the same for the USA and other countries.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Stella

Abufijli, please ignore the propaganda created to protect Amhmedinajad.

You are questioning here now respectable scholars and freedom fighters in Iran, who raise their voices, and pay with their lives in order to bring down the extremist regime. And yes, women can not wear anything they like, Iran has a religious and dress code police. They check up on women they dont like on the streets, if they are lucky they can get away with a penalty, if not, they end up in jail.

Just imagine something like that in the free socities, in Sydney for example or Lebanon as well. Wouldnt you want for the Iranians as well to live freely?

We shall support those resistants with every mean! They are the only ones who can reform Iran, and ensure a better future. I hope they will be ever numerous!

Iran is good as it is, if you do not like it do not live there. That is as simple as it gets. Let us concentrate at the bigger problem in the world, the US and Israel and western interference in other countries, the stealing of their resources and the killing of over 660 000 people in Iraq alone. To me that is the real problem in this world and I am unwilling to divert my attention as you would like me too.

You are in need to ignoring the propoganda you read about Iran, unlike you I have been there and things seemed quiet normal and fine to me.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Iran is good as it is, if you do not like it do not live there. That is as simple as it gets. Let us concentrate at the bigger problem in the world, the US and Israel and western interference in other countries, the stealing of their resources and the killing of over 660 000 people in Iraq alone. To me that is the real problem in this world and I am unwilling to divert my attention as you would like me too.

Fortunately not everybody thinks like you.

I support the freedom fighters of Iran who want to bring down ANajad! May they fight with the ink or weapons, I hope their cause will succeed.

Why do you need to drag US and Iraq into this. We were talking about iranian women who are beaten and persecuted, and in first hand frustrated socitites where the anomalies enhances the porn business.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

I personally do not agree wit this policy, but I can not make judgement on Iran while the rest of the world has its own huge problems. USA has no right to interfere with other countries, nor does anybody else. If you are willing to critisize Iran and call them every name under the sun then you should be able to do the same for the USA and other countries.

Forget USA. Lets talk human rights. Lets talk about a people living under the violation of those human rights and who want to rise up against those violations.

Imagine a woman walking alongside her child (with hijab too mind you) in the street and a big, misogynist security man walks up to her, harasses her because for him she's not dressed 'Islamic enough' and then starts beating her in the street, in front of her child, until blood is dripping down her face (which again, is based on evidence I've seen recently and circulating around the world). Replace this scenario with an analogy of a Muslim woman in France being beaten in the street because she's not 'secular enough' in her clothes. Its not about elections or who who supports it, the point is its unethical. Every society should be governed by a universal code of ethics, above anything else. Not this life of hell.

What kind of life is this? If you love Iranian people as your brothers, then stand up for them, not their government. Their government is corrupt and authoritarian, but they the people are righteous and sincere in their struggle against this corruption. The students who died protesting against the government are the true shahoda They are the ones we should support.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Stella

Fortunately not everybody thinks like you.

I support the freedom fighters of Iran who want to bring down ANajad! May they fight with the ink or weapons, I hope their cause will succeed.

Why do you need to drag US and Iraq into this. We were talking about iranian women who are beaten and persecuted, and in first hand frustrated socitites where the anomalies enhances the porn business.

Its not a big deal when women are arrested for dressing accordingly with the dictum of their own conscience (even with hijab on), its not a big deal when laws are passed granting automatic custody of children to men over women (so they never see their kids), and its not a big deal when a woman's testimony in Iran is considered half of a man's.

But when they pass a low in France to ban hijab (which the majority support, via elective represenatives, as the argument goes) then thats not ok.

I cant believe this hypocrisy. People should practice what they preach.

If this is 'as good as it gets' (when its actually been better, historically) then Abu Ghraib or Israeli treatment of Lebanese prisoners is as 'good as it gets' - going by that unethical logic.