Executions in Iran

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

They won't be frustrated after they are castrated. I think most Saudi men should be castrated, they get uncontrollably wild once they leave their country, and when they return home they become holy again with their daily prayers. Iran is not as bad, because they have a major underground industry of prostitution and decadence that many people and politicians participate in. It's kind of like the blue wall of silence; hypocrisy at it's best.

Its only hypocrisy when the so-called 'devout' Muslims engage in such activities. But if non-believers do it, then they shouldnt be incriminated.

I have been among many Iranians (since I am half) and alot of them have fallen into disbelief. It is very common now for parents to give their children pre-Islamic Persian names. Partying is more prevalent than going to jumah prayer in Iran. People during the last Eid Norouz (Persian New Year) burned pictures and posters of Khomeini and Khameini. It is a very different atmosphere compared to 28 years ago. About 90% of Iran's urban population didnt go out to vote in the last presidential elections. Iran's population is 60-70% youth, who have become tired of baring the responsibility for the mistake their parents made 28 years ago and are now absorbed in a total ideological revolution.

What the 1999 student protests in Iran (of which many youth were arrested and sentenced to death) taught us, was if the regime falls apart today, the people will replace it with a very secular government (as they have become disillusioned with the Islamic model) tomorrow.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Its only hypocrisy when the so-called 'devout' Muslims engage in such activities. But if non-believers do it, then they shouldnt be incriminated.

No one is saying Muslim or non-muslim. We are not defending the "devout" hypocrites here.

I have been among many Iranians (since I am half) and alot of them have fallen into disbelief. It is very common now for parents to give their children pre-Islamic Persian names. Partying is more prevalent than going to jumah prayer in Iran. People during the last Eid Norouz (Persian New Year) burned pictures and posters of Khomeini and Khameini. It is a very different atmosphere compared to 28 years ago.

Congratulations to those who have fallen into disbelief. They will rot in hell just as those hypocritical Muslims will.

By the way, Caesar is the wrong person to talk to about the disbelievers .

What the 1999 student protests in Iran (of which many youth were arrested and sentenced to death) taught us, was if the regime falls apart today, the people will replace it with a very secular government (as they have become disillusioned with the Islamic model) tomorrow.

It's set and it'll stay. This is the prophecy of the prophet and the 12 Imams. Al knoumeini is the descendant Al Hassan al Aaskari and there are many hypocricies and misconceptions being spread about him by those who do not want to abide by religion. All I know is that never has there been a man like him to walk earth after the 12th Imam did.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

This America/Israeli war on Iran to save Israel's shoes will never lead them no where. Those who deal with media on a day to day basis Ruman know what the media does and who controls it. As for women in Iran, what more do they want? I know many Iranian women here in Sydney and they are very independant free thinking educated women. Do those who use women as sex objects treat them better? Please! Give us a break!

Iran follows the shariaa set by Imam Khoumeini, so no comment from me here. Islam says that the father takes custody of the children.

Those who were excecuted are America Israeli agents working to bring Iran either down or under the spell of the "Empires" Either bow down to Israel or face war .

Wow Dalzi, based on our last discussion, I am surprised. If it is that simple for you to just blame everything on the 'Israeli agents', then there is not much to say. I mean, how does one debate that? It is not debatable.

And just for the record, Amnesty International has documented these names I listed (there was an entire BBC documentary on 16 year old Ateqeh..perhaps zionist too?). Unless you want me to believe that Amnesty International (which has criticized Israel many times) is also run by zionists.

It is even more [hilariously] ironic that you incriminate the dissidents with 'bowing down to war' when most of these people (I listed) have vocalized their opposition to a military solution and were vehement opponents of the Shah. All they have asked for is an end to this regime's human rights violations too.

Also, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim (from SCIRI in Iraq) and members of Iraqi Da'wa Party also supported military invasion in Iraq. Does that make them zionist too? Or people arguing for end to human rights?

It is interesting when the media reports Israeli planes bombing Lebanese villages, people (including me) jump to call human rights violations against Israel, but when the same media exposes the human rights violations in Iran (including hanging 16 year old Ateqeh, which received international outcry in 2004 and a pulitzer prize for the photo documenting the execution of a dozen Kurdish prisoners) the apologists hypocritically condone it by claiming 'its all false media propaganda.'

Remarkable...

P.S. I dare you to innocently look at a woman in Iran who has lost her child to her ex-husband and cannot see him again until the kid is 18. I just dare you. Simply because Khomeini says its right, does not make it right. If Khomeini says 'pigs can fly', that doesnt necessarily mean pigs can fly. Just use your conscience for once.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

the 12 Imams. Al knoumeini is the descendant Al Hassan al Aaskari and there are many hypocricies and misconceptions being spread about him by those who do not want to abide by religion. All I know is that never has there been a man like him to walk earth after the 12th Imam did.

Do you have family who were executed by Khomeini? Do you have friends who were imprisoned and tortured by Khomeini? Go to the Iranian source, go to Iranian people fleeing their homeland, if there is anything righteous in the truth you will find it from them.

I have no right to sit here and speak on the behalf of Lebanese, when innocent Lebanese are on TV trying to tell the world the truth of their plight (be it against Syria or Israel).

Many innocent Iranians were persecuted and murdered by this regime. Some, for just being of a certain religious denomination, others for holding on to opposing ideologies or whatever.

There are endless documents by human rights organizations, confirming all of this. They have made arguments in front of the whole world.

It is disgusting that all in the name of religion, people blindly follow one leader and uncritically accept anything he said. If he told people Israel had a weather machine causing the rain, they would believe it. And then I find it more hypocritical when these same people come on TV and preach their religion as being 'peaceful.'

Anyone who studies Khomeini knows he was anything but peaceful. The only people who disagree with this are his blind religious followers.

If you love Khomeini, then great. Take him (just imagine what his utopian Islamic state, would do to Lebanon). For us Iranians, we dont want him (especially the youth who had nothing to do with him).

P.S. No one is stating false claims against Khomeini. There is as much legitimacy in that statement as there is in calling Israel the victim (since I know how you feel about that biased claim). We are only stating facts.

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Women in Iran are not persecuted but respected and protected.

Dalzi!!!!!!!!! I thought I cant believe my eyes!! How come they are not persecuted? With religious and dress code police in their back? If they try to wear other than chador, meaning a nice and lil fashionable but no way all showing clothes, then why are they caught on the middle of the street and then put into jail??? Is it that kind of protection you want for women??

pffff they are persecuted and if they happen to raise their voices they get life enprisonment or something alike!!!

I still celebrate all those women and men in Iran who are fighting and resisting the extremist regime which is opressing their own citizens, and creating just frustration and twisted societies.

What a pity, Iran could be among the best countries, a heaven for tourists, they are wasting their chances away.....


Big Bro, thanks for your comment, I think with that all is said, now case closed!

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

How does any of this sanction murder? Porn is not equivalent to murder. It is an industry, which some people enjoy.

Why punish it with murder?

It is not murder my friend. A country has laws if you break them you suffer consequences.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Stella

Dalzi!!!!!!!!! I thought I cant believe my eyes!! How come they are not persecuted? With religious and dress code police in their back? If they try to wear other than chador, meaning a nice and lil fashionable but no way all showing clothes, then why are they caught on the middle of the street and then put into jail??? Is it that kind of protection you want for women??

pffff they are persecuted and if they happen to raise their voices they get life enprisonment or something alike!!!

I still celebrate all those women and men in Iran who are fighting and resisting the extremist regime which is opressing their own citizens, and creating just frustration and twisted societies.

What a pity, Iran could be among the best countries, a heaven for tourists, they are wasting their chances away.....


Big Bro, thanks for your comment, I think with that all is said, now case closed!

You should see some bloody pictures of women who were beaten in the streets recently, in accordance with the new moral crackdown. And all the youth who are fighting in the streets against it and protecting their women, are being arrested themselves. Its very disturbing to many Iranians. If you want to make an entire country hate their religion of birth, then this is the way to do it.

It really hurts me to see this once modern nation, reduced to a state of poverty, malnutrition (according to the Iranian government themselves) and holding the highest drug addiction rate in the world (according to the UN).

We have a 90%+ literacy rate in Iran and this is how our poor people are living their lives.

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

It is not murder my friend. A country has laws if you break them you suffer consequences.

Yes and in Iraq, if you criticized Saddam Hussein, you were killed because in that 'country you have laws and if you break them you suffer my friend.'

I hope you understand my point.

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Stella

Dalzi!!!!!!!!! I thought I cant believe my eyes!! How come they are not persecuted? With religious and dress code police in their back? If they try to wear other than chador, meaning a nice and lil fashionable but no way all showing clothes, then why are they caught on the middle of the street and then put into jail??? Is it that kind of protection you want for women??

pffff they are persecuted and if they happen to raise their voices they get life enprisonment or something alike!!!

I still celebrate all those women and men in Iran who are fighting and resisting the extremist regime which is opressing their own citizens, and creating just frustration and twisted societies.

What a pity, Iran could be among the best countries, a heaven for tourists, they are wasting their chances away.....


Big Bro, thanks for your comment, I think with that all is said, now case closed!

That is not true, yiu have been taught lies. In Iran women can wear fashionable items, tight clothing, young men have earings etc.. etc...

[Abufijli]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Yes and in Iraq, if you criticized Saddam Hussein, you were killed because in that 'country you have laws and if you break them you suffer my friend.'

I hope you understand my point.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq is not Iran. In Iran people vote for their representatives. People in Iran voted for the constitution and the establishment of an Islamic state.