Executions in Iran

[Abu Ruman]

People who want Israel to exist do not want Islam to decline. There is no evidence for such a claim. The only implication here, by making that statement, is putting Islam in political context, as a political ideology - which leaves the impression on everyone that its anything but a 'personal spiritual faith.'

Many Christian Palestinians have suffered and fled since 1948, and they dont oppose Israel's crimes on the basis of 'Israel wants Christianity to decline' because obviously those Christians know their religion is not a political affiliate in this mess and politicizing it like that only implies something more ideological about their religion and harms it.

If everyone wants a better example sufficing to 'they want our religion to decline', then people should pick on Turkey, since its revolution was intrinsically founded on eliminating all religious influence and they massacred up to hundreds and thousands of innocent minorities - all in the name of their secular revolution.

To this day, I cannot understand why Muslims always have to bring Islam into the middle of their victimization. When Israel was founded, the Middle East was a very secular region and religion did not have that much influence, so obviously Israel was not at a battle with Islam when it was so weak and crippled at the time.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

The decline of Islam is when you accept fatwas that execute writers, the decline of Islam is when you preach executing porn producers yet the sheikhs get paid money for marriages whose only purpose is sex.

Are you here to tell me what causes the decline and rise of Islam? The rise of Islam is when you stand up for your rights, for what is yours. When you get rid of every hypocrite who falsifies facts for political purposes. When you want to critisize, you analyse what's there, not lie.

The decline of Islam isnt when some, may they be christian or israeli or muslims, criticize a certain aspect of Islam.

Criticism is everyone's right. But biased hypocricy is totally different.

Is this how Iran says it exists? Is this how Islam says it exists? Is this how Islam was once one of the most advanced cultures in the world?

Yes. Now what are they gonna do about it? Launch war?

Teb if a sheikh tomorrow, using the argument which is used to justify multiple marriages and other marriages (which is that men have needs and must be fulfilled), masalan a sheikh says certain porn can be allowed and encouraged under islamic law.

Go read about the rules of multiple marriages before you speak. As for the Sheikh who allows what is not in the Qur'an, well he's not a seikh, but a hypocrite.

What if he says tapes of a girl alone can be sold 2 a guy if proper process is made with a cleric.

How will that make any less sense to you morally, than other practices done by clerics?

7ilwi hai! Wlak shou 3a zaw2o??? There is a book, people can read, he can't make stuff up and stick them to religion. It's his problem not ours.

LP, this "hujum" on Iran is to bring it down because it is against America/Israeli interest that a Muslim country that doesn't take orders from them is developing. So all this bias, all this nonsense simply doesn't make any sense to someone who knows what Iran is and how life there is. The media is sickening.

[LebanesePride]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Are you here to tell me what causes the decline and rise of Islam? The rise of Islam is when you stand up for your rights, for what is yours. When you get rid of every hypocrite who falsifies facts for political purposes. When you want to critisize, you analyse what's there, not lie.


Criticism is everyone's right. But biased hypocricy is totally different.


Yes. Now what are they gonna do about it? Launch war?


Go read about the rules of multiple marriages before you speak. As for the Sheikh who allows what is not in the Qur'an, well he's not a seikh, but a hypocrite.


7ilwi hai! Wlak shou 3a zaw2o??? There is a book, people can read, he can't make stuff up and stick them to religion. It's his problem not ours.

LP, this "hujum" on Iran is to bring it down because it is against America/Israeli interest that a Muslim country that doesn't take orders from them is developing. So all this bias, all this nonsense simply doesn't make any sense to someone who knows what Iran is and how life there is. The media is sickening.

Chou khass the media bias ya Dalzi?

If youre saying these news arent true, then ok, talk about media bias.

But if youre saying they are, and defending them, just because its western media or whatever, then all your happiness about a shiite iran defending its rights is misguided.

If all you care about is sticking it to others, israelis or americans, and not the iranian individual, then youre practicing hypocrisy as well!

[drinkaholic]

Originally Posted by Xena

eh w ya3ne?

eno why did you have to say this?
do you believe that muslims are labeled to be oppressive so that you had to make this comment about you being a muslim and believing in human rights? eno ya3ne people will now be surprised, eno wwaaww a muslim supports human rights...because that's how you made it sound!

anyway, you probably mean well, but next time try to take off the prejudices that people sticks on you, because apparently you ended up believing them!

w yalla bonne nuit!

Hey Xena!

Ofcourse,I didn't mean anything negative towards Muslims

No,I said that because I wanted to oppose any misconception that "muslims dont care about human rights", I said that to prove that a Muslim can be a Muslim and care about human rights at the same time!


Salam!

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

So all this bias, all this nonsense simply doesn't make any sense to someone who knows what Iran is and how life there is. The media is sickening.

Have you lived in Iran? If yes, tell us your personal experiences.

Do you say the tragedy of that 16 year old girl is a mere hoax? And the constant stoning scandals are a hoax too?

[Abu Ruman]

Yes Dalzi, please enlighten me with your experience in Iran and where you went exactly.

I am very interested to hear this, since you hold so much knowledge about Iran - to the extent of condoning the execution of a 16 year old, mentally retarded girl (sneaky zionists) which the entire world has recognized, except you.

And after that, I will tell you of my experience in the Lebanon which I didnt visit - only so I can speak on its entire behalf, especially the people who have suffered.



P.S. You still have not told me what books on Iran you've read, since you claim to know so much about its political history, specifically regarding your suggestion for me to 'go read a book' about Iran. Which book is that? I'm dying to know

[Abu Ruman]

Originally Posted by Stella

Do you say the tragedy of that 16 year old girl is a mere hoax? And the constant stoning scandals are a hoax too?

Didnt you know, the execution of that girl - which was documented by major international human rights groups such as Amnesty International and completely explicated in an entire BBC documentary where family members, friends, and lawyers were interviewed - is all just a zionist hoax to fool us.

In fact, the entire Amnesty International board is inflated with zionists. And when they do criticize Israel, they're only doing that to avert us from ever suspecting that they really are zionists.

Its all part of the international zionist plan, which starts with fabricating human rights violations in Iran (all 100,000+ of them since 1979).

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Abu Ruman

Didnt you know, the execution of that girl - which was documented by major international human rights groups such as Amnesty International and completely explicated in an entire BBC documentary where family members, friends, and lawyers were interviewed - is all just a zionist hoax to fool us.

In fact, the entire Amnesty International board is inflated with zionists. And when they do criticize Israel, they're only doing that to avert us from ever suspecting that they really are zionists.

Its all part of the international zionist plan, which starts with fabricating human rights violations in Iran (all 100,000+ of them since 1979).

My God, you say zionists are on every corner?

Poor girl, in the end, after her cruel death she is getting such ugly labels.

Anyway, I am ready to do a touring in Iran, roaming some parts of it, and gathering first hand experiences, talking with the people, documenting etc... first, will we allowed to do that? Wont we be arrested right away? Wont I be persecuted there as a European woman, and not dressing in chador of course?
So I am curious about your (all of you) answers, and seeing how democratic Iran is, and how the fundamental freedoms are guaranteed there, to anybody.

[Claudia]

Originally Posted by Stella

Anyway, I am ready to do a touring in Iran, roaming some parts of it, and gathering first hand experiences, talking with the people, documenting etc... first, will we allowed to do that? Wont we be arrested right away? Wont I be persecuted there as a European woman, and not dressing in chador of course?
So I am curious about your (all of you) answers, and seeing how democratic Iran is, and how the fundamental freedoms are guaranteed there, to anybody.

Stella if I was you, I woudn't go in such trip. I'm sure you'll be persecuted if you don't dress the chador. But if you go, then go alone and not with your boyfriend. If you dare to kiss him in public I really don't know what can happen to both of you. Twenty years after the "Islamic Revolution" the human rights situation in Iran is a disastre!...

[Stella]

Originally Posted by Claudia

Stella if I was you, I woudn't go in such trip. I'm sure you'll be persecuted if you don't dress the chador. But if you go, then go alone and not with your boyfriend. If you dare to kiss him in public I really don't know what can happen to both of you. Twenty years after the "Islamic Revolution" the human rights situation in Iran is a disastre!...

Well I didnt mean a private holiday, but a field report, going with professionals, even this way we might face difficulties, as stated above.
Nevertheless I am really interested in it, some are eager to bash the reporters of BBC and call everybody zionists who dare to expose the human rights abusals, so the only cure for this is more uncovering reports, let the world know about how is life in Iran, and not just in Tehran, but in the far away country sides as well, you know where the stonings happen.