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Icon4 The electronic cigarette: A serious and healthier alternative to tobacco smoking - 6th October 2009











In this thread i propose to discuss everything related to the electronic cigarette, called E-cig, or also, personal vaporizer (PV). Many of you might not be informed enough about it, so i hope that i will be able to expose as much data as possible and to answer to your questions, within the limits of my knowledge.




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Did you try it ya Abou sandal ?
Did you stop smoking (if you were a smoker that is )?
Is it helpful?
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but the question is, are there any retailers in lebanon for them ?
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but the question is, are there any retailers in lebanon for them ?
Well maybe abou sandal is the SOLE retailer??

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On Behalf of Abou Sandal, allow me to answer both of you

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Did you stop smoking (if you were a smoker that is )?
Is it helpful?
Yes it is so helpful for him and the ones around him ... at least it is odorless, and it doesnt hurt as much as the original one.


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but the question is, are there any retailers in lebanon for them ?
No , there is no retailers in Lebanon yet .. hole 7asab ma3loumete yalle akhadta min Abou Sandal
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I tried it, my dad tried it.... It's not helpful at all (maybe the lack of smell is the only advantage, but it didnt fulfill my nicotine needs and certainly did not make me reduce or stop me from smoking normal ciggies).. no results, we're both back to smoking Marlboro lol...
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On Behalf of Abou Sandal, allow me to answer both of you

Yes it is so helpful for him and the ones around him ... at least it is odorless, and it doesnt hurt as much as the original one.


No , there is no retailers in Lebanon yet .. hole 7asab ma3loumete yalle akhadta min Abou Sandal
Thank you faithful..

How long did he use it till now ? Is he taking any nicotine fix i.e patches or chewing gum?

Since quiting, is he feeling tired, headaches all that ....

I am asking all this because I would love to quit smoking but i cant
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Actually, e-cigarettes are already being shunned here in the US after they revealed that they are more dangerous than regular cigarettes. Here's the latest statement from the FDA on the dangers of electronic cigarettes:

FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today announced that a laboratory analysis of electronic cigarette samples has found that they contain carcinogens and toxic chemicals such as diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze.

Electronic cigarettes, also called “e-cigarettes,” are battery-operated devices that generally contain cartridges filled with nicotine, flavor and other chemicals. The electronic cigarette turns nicotine, which is highly addictive, and other chemicals into a vapor that is inhaled by the user.

These products are marketed and sold to young people and are readily available online and in shopping malls. In addition, these products do not contain any health warnings comparable to FDA-approved nicotine replacement products or conventional cigarettes. They are also available in different flavors, such as chocolate and mint, which may appeal to young people.

Public health experts expressed concern that electronic cigarettes could increase nicotine addiction and tobacco use in young people. Jonathan Winickoff, M.D., chair of the American Academy of Pediatrics Tobacco Consortium and Jonathan Samet, M.D., director of the Institute for Global Health at the University of Southern California, joined Joshua Sharfstein, M.D., principal deputy commissioner of the FDA, and Matthew McKenna, M.D., director of the Office of Smoking and Health for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, to discuss the potential risks associated with the use of electronic cigarettes.

“The FDA is concerned about the safety of these products and how they are marketed to the public,” said Margaret A. Hamburg, M.D., commissioner of food and drugs.

Because these products have not been submitted to the FDA for evaluation or approval, at this time the agency has no way of knowing, except for the limited testing it has performed, the levels of nicotine or the amounts or kinds of other chemicals that the various brands of these products deliver to the user.

The FDA’s Division of Pharmaceutical Analysis analyzed the ingredients in a small sample of cartridges from two leading brands of electronic cigarettes. In one sample, the FDA’s analyses detected diethylene glycol, a chemical used in antifreeze that is toxic to humans, and in several other samples, the FDA analyses detected carcinogens, including nitrosamines. These tests indicate that these products contained detectable levels of known carcinogens and toxic chemicals to which users could potentially be exposed.

The FDA has been examining and detaining shipments of e-cigarettes at the border and the products it has examined thus far meet the definition of a combination drug-device product under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. The FDA has been challenged regarding its jurisdiction over certain e-cigarettes in a case currently pending in federal district court. The agency is also planning additional activities to address its concerns about these products.

Health care professionals and consumers may report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems with the use of e-cigarettes to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program either online, by regular mail, fax or phone.

* Online: MedWatch: The FDA Safety Information and Adverse Event Reporting Program
* Regular Mail: use postage-paid FDA form 3500 available at: Download Forms and mail to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787
* Fax: (800) FDA-0178
* Phone: (800) FDA-1088
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Ok guys, sorry for the delay, i'll start replying to everyone now.

Kumari

The answer to your first post is:Yes, yes and yes.(And no i'm not a distributor...hehe)

But one thing that everyone needs to understand is this:E-cig is not a smoking cessation device. It is wrong to depict it as such and it was never intended to such purpose.

Personally, i picked the e-cig, not because i wanted to quit smoking...but because i wanted to keep smoking.

The right definition is this: The e-cig is an alternative to smokers, that is way safer than smoking tobacco.

My experience is that the moment i tried it, and although i had a real dated and rotten useless device, i instantly knew that there was a real potential. I jumped on the keyboard and ordered a sample from the UK...5 days later i received it...Since then, i didn't touch a cigarette...But most importantly...I didn't feel the need to smoke tobacco cigarettes anymore.

And i'm a heavy smoker...50 cigarettes per day...look at my banner ...it's says it all.



TK,

When i bought the first e-cig, it was from a pharmacy in Lebanon, a month ago. The device didn't work properly and the cartridges were probably rotten or something.

I made a little search and study over the internet and almost instantly understood that i had a defected material worth nothing. But something in my head kept telling me that the concept is so bright and logical, that there is no reason it couldn't work. So i bought a sample online from the UK...And when the goods arrived...I tried the little baby and it was vaping like hell...

It works...just give it one more shot and a little patience and it will really make a difference, trust me.


Faithful,

You're right, there are no retailers in Lebanon for such device because it is in a state of "Not allowed/Not banned"....We'll talk about this later.

You might still be lucky to find something in some pharmacies, which are products imported before the recent Statut-Quo. But i wouldn't recommend buying such material simply because it's probably outdated, and there are surely no available spare parts and accessories for them.

The Lebanese product that you might find is the E-Steam electronic cigarette. It's too pricey for what it is, and even online, they do not propose spare parts and accessories. I think that those 2 doctors who imported this are just amateurs and don't have any knowledge about the product they tried to market.(By the way, you must all get used to read and hear in this domain, lots of ignorance coming especially from the scientific community...makes you think...)

http://e-steam.org/epages/eshop14014...ps/eshop140147

Now if the pharmacy tells you that this product is Swiss made or British made...they're lying to you. This is a pure 100% Chinese invention, and a pure 100% Chinese manufactured product...All over the world, it's the same.


RP,

Like i said before, there are no retailers for it in Lebanon, but you can get them through the net. But before buying online, iI should give few advises so not to have those products stopped by the local customs.

It's not like it's illegal, but they are trying to restrict and stop them. If it passes it passes, but if it doesn't...then you should have been more clever to find a discrete way...

Like everything in Lebanon...No public employee minds anything whatsoever...but just don't put him in a position that doesn't give him a margin of maneuver...hehe


LebanonUSA,

I'll make it simple for others to understand what is going on in the US and around the world in this matter:

FDA are corrupt
WHO are incompetent
State's health organizations and administrative bodies are ignorant

The report that you posted about the FDA was obviously twisted, spinned, stretched, misleading and "motivated" and is simply a scandal in itself, and the FDA is facing lawsuits over it.

I will not comment on what is in the report for now because it would take too long, and we'll get back at its details later, but here is a brief overview about that matter for the time being:





The WHO on the other hand, is as incompetent and useless and mostly corrupt, as most UN organizations, and is following the steps of the FDA on that matter because someone in the US is pushing for it.

And finally, the third world like usual, is watching and following "WHO ignorant recommendations" without even knowing what the hell it is all about, and Arab States in particular, like in everything else, like the good doggies they are, and just to please Mr America, simply decided to ban it, plain and simple. BTW, the US government couldn't restrict it in the US, because of issues of rights and personal freedoms and liberties...but it could do whatever it pleases in the Arab part of the globe.


Anyway, just as we're talking now, the FDA is busy doing this: FDA starts collecting fees from tobacco companies - BusinessWeek


Forget what governments and governmental bodies are saying today. They will try to undermine the E-cig as much as possible. We all know that money talks inside those institutions...And when I say money...I'm talking about hundreds of Billions of dollars...H1N1 and Bird flue scandals, and their Rumsfeld/Roch/Tamiflu killing vaccines, are nothing in comparison to the "Tobacco (fighting) industry" affairs...

Did you know that Tobacco is America's 3rd most important industry?


But if you're interested in real scientific studies and researches and findings about the product, one of the few serious places to look in so far, is here: Health New Zealand

Note that the studies are funded by the world n.1 E-cigs company...But this does not undermine the credibility of Dr Murray Laugesen, an authority in this matter, especially that further studies conducted by independent institutes and laboratories around the world, are reaching the same conclusions.


That's it for now, i hope that i was of a certain interest, and I will be open for more questions if anyone needs to know more.
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Part of the smoking experience is

(1) the feeling of cigarette pack in your hand or pocket

(2) touching the actual cigarette fabric

(3) the ability to use a lighter

(4) the first inhale/exhale after you light it

(5) the feeling of having a burning cigarette in hand (with billowing smoke)

(6) the need to throw the ashes somewhere

(7) the smell...

and finally (8) disposing of the butt
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