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Originally Posted by Salome  why would a supposedly all knowing and all wise God commit suicide? This God am sure is able to look beyond any petty hardships we human face, and the eternal wisdom grants God to maintain this whole universe...
dont know if I understand you well, you say some claim the Bing Bang was when God committed suicide? Maybe you could explain here a bit, in short, without me checking the links (sorry no time)
Duality is present both in spiritual and scientific field, not necessary though as good and evil... "good and evil" distinction is reserved for 3 dimension only |
first of all this is not what i believe in ^_^, it's just a theory i read, a possibility. which i dont think it's very much possible ^_^.
1- direct quote from the book "God's Debris":
"“If you were God,” he said, “what would you want?”
“I don’t know. I barely know what I want, much less
what God wants.”
“Imagine that you are omnipotent. You can do anything,
create anything, be anything. As soon as you decide
you want something, it becomes reality.”
I waited, knowing there was more.
He continued. “Does it make sense to think of God as
wanting anything? A God would have no emotions, no
fears, no desires, no curiosity, no hunger. Those are human
shortcomings, not something that would be found in an
omnipotent God. What then would motivate God?”
“Maybe it’s the challenge, the intellectual stimulation of
creating things,” I offered.
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“Omnipotence means that nothing is a challenge. And
what could stimulate the mind of someone who knows
everything?”
“You make it sound almost boring to be God. But I
guess you’ll say boredom is a human feeling.”
“Everything that motivates living creatures is based on
some weakness or flaw. Hunger motivates animals. Lust
motivates animals. Fear and pain motivate animals. A God
would have none of those impulses. Humans are driven by
all of our animal passions plus loftier-sounding things like
self-actualization and creativity and freedom and love. But
God would care nothing for those things, or if he cared
would already have them in unlimited quantities. None of
them would be motivating.”
“So what motivates God?” I asked. “Do you have the
answer to that question, or are you just yanking my chain?”
“I can conceive of only one challenge for an omnipotent
being—the challenge of destroying himself.”
“You think God would want to commit suicide?” I asked.
“I’m not saying he wants anything. I’m saying it’s the
only challenge.”
“I think God would prefer to exist than to not exist.”
“That’s thinking like a human, not like a God. You have
a fear of death so you assume God would share your prefer-
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ence. But God would have no fears. Existing would be a
choice. And there would be no pain of death, nor feelings of
guilt or remorse or loss. Those are human feelings, not God
feelings. God could simply choose to discontinue existence.”
“There’s a logical problem here, according to your way
of thinking,” I said. “If God knows the future, he already
knows if he will choose to end his existence, and he knows
if he will succeed at it, so there’s no challenge there, either.”
“Your thinking is getting clearer,” he said. “Yes, he will
know the future of his own existence under normal conditions.
But would his omnipotence include knowing what
happens after he loses his omnipotence, or would his knowledge
of the future end at that point?”
“That sounds like a thoroughly unanswerable question.
I think you’ve hit a dead end,” I said.
“Maybe. But consider this. A God who knew the answer
to that question would indeed know everything and have
everything. For that reason he would be unmotivated to do
anything or create anything. There would be no purpose to
act in any way whatsoever. But a God who had one nagging
question—what happens if I cease to exist?—might be motivated
to find the answer in order to complete his knowledge.
And having no fear and no reason to continue
existing, he might try it.”
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“How would we know either way?”
“We have the answer. It is our existence. The fact that
we exist is proof that God is motivated to act in some way.
And since only the challenge of self-destruction could interest
an omnipotent God, it stands to reason that we . . .”
I interrupted the old man in midsentence and stood
straight up from the rocker. It felt as if a pulse of energy ran
up my spine, compressing my lungs, electrifying my skin,
bringing the hairs on the back of my neck to full alert. I
moved closer to the fireplace, unable to absorb its heat.
“Are you saying what I think you’re saying?” My brain
was taking on too much knowledge. There was overflow
and I needed to shake off the excess.
The old man looked at nothing and said, “We are God’s
debris.”
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God’s Debris
“Are you saying that God blew himself to bits and we’re
what’s left?” I asked."
btw dont tell me you dont have time... when somebody tells me i dont have time i feel this strong feeling of them thinking am dumb to actually believe that, we have tons of time that we dont know what to do with it :P so hence we are here to cover the time that we have, we have access of time not no time , there is always time, i dont have time is a lie from the body to the body, i dont want to hear it cause it under estimates my intelligent...
2- this is about gnostic and dualism it's from wikipedia just seach for "gnostic" and you will get this -->
"Gnosticism (Greek: γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) refers to diverse, syncretistic religious movements in antiquity consisting of various belief systems generally united in the teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a material world created by an imperfect god, the demiurge; this being is frequently identified with the Abrahamic God, and is contrasted with a superior entity, referred to by several terms including Pleroma and Godhead[1]. Depictions of the demiurge - the term originates with Plato's Timaeus[2] - vary from being as an embodiment of evil, to being merely imperfect and as benevolent as its inadequacy permits. Thus, broadly speaking, Gnosticism was a dualistic religion, influenced by and influencing Hellenic philosophy, Judaism (see Notzrim), and Christianity;[citation needed] however, by contrast, later strands of the movement, such as the Valentinians, held a monistic world-view[3]. This, along with the varying treatments of the demiurge, may be seen as indicative of the variety of positions held within the category."
21st May 2009
