Do you believe in God? Why or why not?

[Salome]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

I have a feeling if I start telling my story this thread will be closed and that is not fair to the rest of us who are having fun entertaining each other.

what is your story?

I like it how it is, we human beings kept in uncertainty, it gives you a kind of freedom...so I wont really bother seeking proof for God's existence...only thing I do is to ask a lot of questions which leads to more question etc...:p

[Ataraxia]

We have a lot of poets in this threads but very few reasonable people, unfortunately.

[I_Am_LebanoN]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

I have proof of God's existence!
but only if the meaning of the word 'GOD' is 'The Creator' and not some guy in heaven giving us some orders and if we don't obey him we would burn in hell like most ancient beliefs would tell us!


now it is an scientific fact that evolution was real but still most monotheism believers refuse this real fact!

they claim about a god they don't even have any proof of

if this god they are talking about really exist why dont this god show him self and make our life and his life much more easier!

we just cant follow any fiction ancient book and start to make it our religion i think human are or should be smarter than thinking this way!

anyway if the word god and creator are synonymous the only fact i have about this creator is nature!

nature created us nature created this world so nature is god the universe is god everything you see is god!

now some people will say if god is nature,, then who created this nature

i would say i have no idea because we can only say the things we know about and we know that nature created us as human it created the earth we know it created almost everything.
we don't know much about it but at the same time we do know a lot of things about it and we are learning more about it everyday..
40 years ago human landed on the moon and few years ago we learned about how many billion galaxies there are in the universe just knowing those stuff is fascinating if we want to know about our god we have to look more maybe the next step is landing on the red planet this is part of knowing more about god!

time to stop looking into those ancient believes and look into the future as the answer will be there!

so yes god exist only if we mean the god is a creator!

i do believe that religion was important in the human history and thanks to it we became better in many ways but everything has its time so it is time now to release our self from it as we dont need religion any more religion is so ancient.. praying, temples etc are so ancient

Yes but I disagree with the red part but I know you didn't really mean it ahaha. Even during "ancient times" Abrahamic Gods had a very negative effect on societies, from forcing conversions by the power of the sword to closing down philosophical schools in Greece to restricting personal freedoms to a minimum to pretty much every war in the past couple millenniums. I can't think of 1 positive step these religions offered to humanity.

[I_Am_LebanoN]

Originally Posted by Ataraxia

We have a lot of poets in this threads but very few reasonable people, unfortunately.

I wouldn't call these unreasonable people poets...It's too flattering.

[Ataraxia]

Originally Posted by I_Am_LebanoN

Yes but I disagree with the red part but I know you didn't really mean it ahaha. Even during "ancient times" Abrahamic Gods had a very negative effect on societies, from forcing conversions by the power of the sword to closing down philosophical schools in Greece to restricting personal freedoms to a minimum to pretty much every war in the past couple millenniums. I can't think of 1 positive step these religions offered to humanity.

Well, I always looked at religion as something dated. It was there due to the progress of humans. I don't look at it as a consequence or as a cause of the progress per se but in general I am more tending to label it as a consequence or result of that progress or even better just something that was entailed to accompany that era. It's like an old uncontemprorary plan/tool that has no more use but humans are still considering it first thing.

And yes, that sentence of LubnanAlKawi is some sort of inner feeling or compulsion to redeem himself as part of this religious society by at least giving in to the purity of religion. I do that sometimes especially when I think of those responsible of the birth of religion and those following it. When comparing them I feel more sympathetic and accepting of those responsible for it for they maybe were smarter than the general public at that time but many of the followers/preachers today are less intelligent than the general public and even than a wide range of animals. This is , by the way, only directed to the ignorant bigots or those that have connections to them and not to religious people.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Ataraxia

Well, I always looked at religion as something dated. It was there due to the progress of humans. I don't look at it as a consequence or as a cause of the progress per se but in general I am more tending to label it as a consequence or result of that progress or even better just something that was entailed to accompany that era. It's like an old uncontemprorary plan/tool that has no more use but humans are still considering it first thing.

Which era? lol We're running around in circles, blasphemy was at its peak before the first book of David.

And yes, that sentence of LubnanAlKawi is some sort of inner feeling or compulsion to redeem himself as part of this religious society by at least giving in to the purity of religion. I do that sometimes especially when I think of those responsible of the birth of religion and those following it. When comparing them I feel more sympathetic and accepting of those responsible for it for they maybe were smarter than the general public at that time but many of the followers/preachers today are less intelligent than the general public and even than a wide range of animals. This is , by the way, only directed to the ignorant bigots or those that have connections to them and not to religious people.

Insulting the intelligence of others for the sake of pointing out an opinion you have is by all means a sign of no intelligence at all especially since you are basing your understanding on the background from which you come from which is very clear from your post. If we are to limit the logic of your response to what you know of religion, then i'd have to agree with you. I wouldn't say anything different to what you said had I been in your place.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Which science?

The kind rooted in logic not drug induced as in the case of Darwin. I’ll give you another chance to graduate from school. Life cannot randomly appear out of absolute nothingness, it is a caused cause. Only an uncaused cause can give life were it not exists. It is incumbent on the so-called scientific community to explain if the universe had a beginning (the primeval atom and the big bang fact) then what caused it to come about? I’ve written extensively on creationism on this forum which you can find. However, your best sources are the Holy Qur’an and Bible.

Exemplify the: faulty methods & techniques, inacurrate identification, missing links, exaggerations and outright fraud. I dont really care about your fact deprived, example denuded opinion.

You’re basing your beliefs on Darwinism, not I. You have the unenviable task of having to prove your existence is rooted in ape science. That may explain your lack of brain capacity but it doesn’t pass the scientific test. If you’re interested in a substantive debate then you can begin with a baby step by addressing the forgeries of Piltdown man and Java man, two prime examples of outright fraud but certainly not the only examples. Once you have done so, we can examine other topics such as dating methods, genetic parallels and morphology. Otherwise this discussion is fruitless and it ends now.

Even your Catholic Church (assuming you are Catholic, correct me if im wrong) details its opinion on the theory of evolution "as being more than probable".

As with all your assumptions, you are mistaken. Manmade doctrines and deities are for the weak-minded. Catholic dogma thrives on ignorance as Darwinism does. The fact that the Catholic Church considers evolution “as being more than probable” puts them in the right company. But those of us who believe in One Divine Creator without human attachments and pagan myths have a monopoly on science. Everything else outside the divine sphere of wisdom is derived from human imagination.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by Flakk

I think the idea of god is a sort of mass control, i mean lets look at the roman empire 2000 years ago they used to have many gods to worship and these same gods were made up by philosophers for mass control and to plunge fear into the residents so they can obey orders and do as their told.
There is no true evidence that god created this world, religious people believe that the earth is 10 000 years old, do you actually believe that this earth is 10 000 years old??
Science says no and there is evidence. There are hundreds of convincing theories Like Darwin and Richard Dawkins.

But this dosint really mean that i dont believe in god, i dont believe in god as a white bearded person in the sky, but i actully see god as a much more complicated matter that we cannot understand. (although lately iv been loosing my faith more and more)
Maybe he dosint exist at all, but well what do i know.

1. Islam doesn't say the Earth was created 6,000 years ago.
2. What's convincing in Darwin?