Do you believe in God? Why or why not?

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

500 years ago they could not explain how thunder works, now they can create one, 1500 years ago they couldn't explain how babies were born now they can create sperm in a lab
Explaining a mystery you don't understand by calling it God is laziness, forcing it down the throat of others is called closed mindedness.
Who told you don't live in a Truman Show and your so called God is just a movie director?

till we keep searching for answers and not sticking to a dogma, then all is fine...the moment we claim we have the ultimate truth, is when we start becoming ridiculous

[Frisbeetarian]

For creation there is a methodology. Unless you want to convince yourself that you blew out of the universe into frisbee himself like the soap bubble baby sue blows in the air without her being the baby sue who's blowing the bubble.

Since your knowledge on Islam is that of a Mufti, as well as you being the knowledgable 'scientist' here while all religious people on this forum come from a stable, they why dont' we do it the other way round. Start by explaining Islam, then the 'theory' of evolution to see how God created Darwin and his apes.

Im not claiming anything, you are. I do not claim that i know who created us and the plan which shapes our lives. You are. Thus the burden of proof lies on you, not i. Are you refuting evolution? If not, please tell me how the story of Adam and Eve can but loose its validity in face of such a theory (ie. evolution).

[Red Phoenix]

i think want's more important tham debating this subject is figuring out how to debate this matter in a constructive fashion

cuz so far after 20 pages this is wasting everybodies time all over again.

and my opinion on this facet of the debate still is like always, religious ppl and atheists cannot debate such a matter in general

it's like everybody is singing a different tune, and unless we got a solution to that first problem we will keep repeating our points over and over again ad infinitum just for the heck of it.

god and angels and creation and all the package... the burden of proof is on the ones making the claim but those ones making the claim almost always dont understand the scientific method required to prove such a thing.

if u ask me, there is nothing to prove to start with cuz i can't say that religions have any idea about what they are talking about

in the past strange ppl spread religions, perhaps in the future it's wiser to have some estranged scientists spread new religions instead ;)

[I_Am_LebanoN]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

and my opinion on this facet of the debate still is like always, religious ppl and atheists cannot debate such a matter in general

True.

It's faith vs doubt, delusion vs logic, myth vs fact. Parallel lines of thought that can never intersect.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

500 years ago they could not explain how thunder works, now they can create one, 1500 years ago they couldn't explain how babies were born now they can create sperm in a lab
Explaining a mystery you don't understand by calling it God is laziness, forcing it down the throat of others is called closed mindedness.
Who told you don't live in a Truman Show and your so called God is just a movie director?

What you're talking about doesn't contradict with Islam,

"LONDON ( 2009-07-09 0340 ) :British scientists claimed Wednesday to have created human sperm from embryonic stem cells for the first time, an accomplishment they say may someday help infertile men father children."

These guys are just altering living cells, What is the big deal?

As for those talking about evolution I can't believe that you're still talking about that monkey business.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Im not claiming anything, you are. I do not claim that i know who created us and the plan which shapes our lives. You are. Thus the burden of proof lies on you, not i.

To deny the presence of God is to be ignorant of your existence and environment. In the whole scheme of things your logic or lack thereof leads to a void, a vast sea of ignorance. God is not a man in the sky pulling strings; He is an uncaused cause of limitless nature who manifests himself in every aspect of life. It is scientifically impossible for this universe to exist without a limitless force of energy that fuels it. Science proves energy flows even in the vast emptiness of space. Every force has its source and without this source nothing can exist. If you follow a logical line of thought, you will arrive at the conclusion that something cannot come out of nothing if there is nothing there to begin with. Science supports the existence of a Divine Creator, therefore, the burden falls on non-believers to prove otherwise.

Are you refuting evolution? If not, please tell me how the story of Adam and Eve can but loose its validity in face of such a theory (ie. evolution).

Evolution is a cocktail of erroneous assertions from faulty dating methods & techniques, inaccurate identification, missing links, exaggeration and outright fraud & forgery based on flawed assumptions and embraced by secularized Atheistic nations to fit their political agendas.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

What you're talking about doesn't contradict with Islam,

"LONDON ( 2009-07-09 0340 ) :British scientists claimed Wednesday to have created human sperm from embryonic stem cells for the first time, an accomplishment they say may someday help infertile men father children."

These guys are just altering living cells, What is the big deal?

As for those talking about evolution I can't believe that you're still talking about that monkey business.

I don't care what it contradicts with, it means you can have children without a man, imagine you can create the sperm from women's embryo? then there is no need for men, go tell religious scholars about this. Men are not needed we procreate only using women, tell me what they have to say.
Bottom line there are things we don't understand and we always say God created it. Now we can create a man or a woman without the need of a man. We can have a full planet of women from this stem cells sperm thingy and then we can send them live on a planet, each day we deposit a baby in a basket on top of a building, never send them a man.
Then all of a sudden we send them a man and he starts creating babies the way we know it now, guess what, they will probably say God sent him, why? because they don't understand how it works.

[Jasper]

But you needed Men at a time to get those sperms, so stop acting like you discovered the origin of the world.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Jasper

But you needed Men at a time to get those sperms, so stop acting like you discovered the origin of the world.

Wrong conclusion Dude.

The conclusion here should be not everything we don't understand should be attributed to something called God, we should stop exporting the responsibility of our lack of knowledge of the nature of things to something else than our ignorance to understand.

[Zayn]

I pity all of you who still believe in these ancient fairytales of deities, saints, angels, etc.

Time to evolve.