Do you believe in God? Why or why not?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

lol, what an analogy! I believe in monkeys :) Your belief in that cute dinosaur has no base but in your imagination. God's existance finds its basis in the way the world has been designed to a believer who examines, in the scripture, in history, and in ones self before anything else. If you don't believe in a creator, then how do you explain intelligent nature's creation of male and female dinosaurs (for example) instead of one that breeds from itself? The simplest examination of the world proves that there is a creator (probably to some religions more than others).

500 years ago they could not explain how thunder works, now they can create one, 1500 years ago they couldn't explain how babies were born now they can create sperm in a lab
Explaining a mystery you don't understand by calling it God is laziness, forcing it down the throat of others is called closed mindedness.
Who told you don't live in a Truman Show and your so called God is just a movie director?

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

500 years ago they could not explain how thunder works, now they can create one, 1500 years ago they couldn't explain how babies were born now they can create sperm in a lab

Nice logic, have you by any chance uncovered the mysteries of ancient Egypt too? It took some mortals over 1400 years to understand what was given to them back then.

Explaining a mystery you don't understand by calling it God is laziness

Thinking you know it all when you can't cure my current viral infection is arrogance.

forcing it down the throat of others is called closed mindedness.

Who's "forcing" what on who? I can believe in God if I like, you can believe in apes if you like. If you cannot tolerate a discussion without resorting to attacks, then you're probably going to meet your match very soon.

Who told you don't live in a Truman Show and your so called God is just a movie director?

I told myself that there is a creator to this world, anything wrong with that? You can tell me what you think anytime, this is the whole point behind opening this thread.

[lady_forever]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

No, can you?

Yes I can..I am a believer..and have faith in God.. with faith you can feel peace inside you and around you...so people get cured because they r a believer

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Xena

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The difference between God and the beer drinking dinosaur is that god has acquired credibility throughout history...whereas this cool dinasaur was never heard of before...
In other words, despite whether god exists or not, the idea of its existence is not only widely accepted but also backed by many arguments specially ontological arguments from philosophers and let's say trustworthy people which again gives credibility to the god idea.

Since the logic of most people is able to accept the idea of the existence of a supreme being and since it's part of people's traditions, conventions and customs i believe that the burden of proof should be on the party claiming the nonexistence. If you want to discredit a widely accepted theory, you'd better have a real proof.

Since proving the existence or the nonexistence apparently isn't very possible and that only arguments are used then as i said in my previous post, the belief or nonbelief in god is only a matter of a personal opinion.
Therefore discussing whether god exists or not without having a solid proof is just a vicious circle.

so whether you believe in god or not depends on your education, your personal experiences, your own way of seeing things and not on rational thinking and common sense.

But again, what's "publicly accepted?" Before less than a 100 years, knowledge was restricted to a few, and how "publicly accepted" an idea is can hardly be an indicator of the validity of it. Don't new inventions shatter "publicly accepted" concepts of the past?

As False Morel said at the end, all I have to do is repeat the dinosaur story enough times to get the same fame. "A lie told often enough becomes the truth."

Originally Posted by Dalzi

lol, what an analogy! I believe in monkeys :) Your belief in that cute dinosaur has no base but in your imagination. God's existance finds its basis in the way the world has been designed to a believer who examines, in the scripture, in history, and in ones self before anything else. If you don't believe in a creator, then how do you explain intelligent nature's creation of male and female dinosaurs (for example) instead of one that breeds from itself? The simplest examination of the world proves that there is a creator (probably to some religions more than others).

Dalzi, one doesn't have to be able to explain. A simple "I don't know" can do. The difference seems to be that some people are satisfied with their lack of knowledge, while others attribute unexplained concepts to a supreme being. So as Danny said, every few years, what was once attributed to the supreme being becomes scientifically explainable.

Originally Posted by lady_forever

Yes I can..I am a believer..and have faith in God.. with faith you can feel peace inside you and around you...so people get cured because they r a believer

But lady_forever, you are making a big jump with the cause and effect relationship. How do you know beyond reasonable doubt that it is their faith in the supreme being that saved them? I think you don't, you just believe it because you're a believer. No?

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by lady_forever

Yes I can..I am a believer..and have faith in God.. with faith you can feel peace inside you and around you...so people get cured because they r a believer

I feel sorry for doctors, they never get credit for doing their jobs, it all goes to god.

you know that Pope John Paul II who created more saints than all his predecessors
combined suffered an assasination attempt in rome, and attributed it to the intervention
by Virgin Mary, saying that a "material" hand guided the bullet. dont you wonder why she
didnt guide it to miss him altogether?

If god existed and wanted to prove it, he would at least filled the world with super miracles and
avoid the controversy.to me his existence is a scientific hypothesis just like any other.

On a side note Im not sure of how pleasant he is after allowing all religions that call for praying for him spread by the sword i.e christianity and Islam.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by SeekNirvana

Dalzi, one doesn't have to be able to explain. A simple "I don't know" can do. The difference seems to be that some people are satisfied with their lack of knowledge, while others attribute unexplained concepts to a supreme being. So as Danny said, every few years, what was once attributed to the supreme being becomes scientifically explainable.

What has been attributed to the supreme being that we have scientficially discovered we can do instead? Create life out of life?

Muslims see God in science, everything that science 'explains' doesn't contradict Islam, on the contrary it strenghtens it.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

I feel sorry for doctors, they never get credit for doing their jobs, it all goes to god.

They take all the credit for using the mind that God gave them for the good of mankind.

you know that Pope John Paul II who created more saints than all his predecessors
combined suffered an assasination attempt in rome, and attributed it to the intervention
by Virgin Mary, saying that a "material" hand guided the bullet. dont you wonder why she
didnt guide it to miss him altogether?

God calls his good worshipers saints, man made saints are 'voted' by lunatics for power and making money. Don't blame them, blame the people who don't think. The church and all that comes with it is an abomination to the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus came with humility not gilded with gold, he taught compassion not murder.

If god existed and wanted to prove it, he would at least filled the world with super miracles and
avoid the controversy.to me his existence is a scientific hypothesis just like any other.

He gave the brain and asked to seek knowledge.

On a side note Im not sure of how pleasant he is after allowing all religions that call for praying for him spread by the sword i.e christianity and Islam.

Never is there a line in the scripture that calls for spreading religion by the sword, on the contrary, faith is in the heart. Those who performed those acts in history did it for personal interest with religion as a cover. The crusades were working for Rome's power just as the church with its hierarchical system was created for that power, they were not 'performing' what Jesus taught, rather what the clergy dictated. Same goes for the crescades who are serving no one but the enemy. Likewise the zionists who are 'atheists' but jews.

Confessionaries for example, have no link to Jesus whatsoever, they were made for political purposes to get info out of the people and the poor mortals still think it's a divine deed even after finding no link to it whatsoever in the scripture.

For the record, there is no line the the Qur'an that mentions the word 'sword'.

[False Morel]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Muslims see God in science, everything that science 'explains' doesn't contradict Islam, on the contrary it strenghtens it.

This is called living in denial.

[Frisbeetarian]

Muslims see God in science, everything that science 'explains' doesn't contradict Islam, on the contrary it strenghtens it.

Explain the theory of evolution and how it doesnt contradict with religion.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Explain the theory of evolution and how it doesnt contradict with religion.

For creation there is a methodology. Unless you want to convince yourself that you blew out of the universe into frisbee himself like the soap bubble baby sue blows in the air without her being the baby sue who's blowing the bubble.

Since your knowledge on Islam is that of a Mufti, as well as you being the knowledgable 'scientist' here while all religious people on this forum come from a stable, they why dont' we do it the other way round. Start by explaining Islam, then the 'theory' of evolution to see how God created Darwin and his apes.

Originally Posted by False Morel

This is called living in denial.

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