Do you believe in God? Why or why not?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Ataraxia

Except that Atheism is not a God. I feel strength because I came up with a conviction of my own rather than being imposed on or inherited, which is why conviction of something would always give you strength.


No, and the reason is because what I said throughout this thread. Giving purpose to something just to make it more meaningful to us does not mean the purpose is true. And If we want to put religion aside, why would a creator create a universe ? There is no purpose here at all. Both ways, a creator does not exist.

Well people come up with thier Own gods usually, Doesn't need to be a God from an Organized Religion Nor does the person need to be Religious in the first place, Anyways You believe a Creator doesn't exist and I believe he does and that is simply the end of it

Originally Posted by JD06

he did didnt create a perfect anything.

You're absolutly correct, he didn't create anything perfect, No 100% Sharp Edges, No Global Abmient Light without Shadows, No Surface which isn't ultimatly Rough at some point...

From an Artistic and Philosophical point of view The Imperfection is what Creates Perfection, anyway I wonder why would anyone really use such an Argument as God Creating everything "Perfect".

[Frisbeetarian]

The universe may have a purpose, but nothing we know suggests that, if so, this purpose has any similarity to ours.

Bertrand Russel

[Jasper]

Well, for me, just looking outside of the window is enough to enforce my faith in God. For a world this big and this beautiful to be created, then a divine force must have helped or even more did it all. Miracles also help enforce our faith in God as no matter how faithful you are, when you go way to religious into religion you'll have some doubt which would be scattered later on by the things I mentioned above.

Look at the small picture, then the bigger picture. In ones family, parents test their children to know if they deserve to get a specific thing. God tests his children, human-beings, to know if they deserve to be up there with him in Heaven. See? For me everything that happens has a reason and a cause.

Doesn't it sound a bit idiotic, with all due the respect to the NON-Believers in here, that a single cell or something created this world? That the world just appeared? There has to be something divine behind all that...there must be.

Few people mentioned the Bible, in the Bible Jesus says something close to these lines: "The world will encounter many tragedies, wars, hungers, and......" We've seen that upon our eyes, haven't we?

Atheism for me, seems to be made up by a bunch of people(with all the respect to those) who find power in thinking that they have "out smarted" everyone else, and find power in thinking that they are "mentally superior" to everyone else.

I'll be more than open to anyone willing to discuss any of those ideas/or his ideas, via PM or on the thread. I like to think that the path I've chosen is the right one, but that wouldn't prevent me with discussing those things with people with different ideas. as it would only enlighten me and them on things we have failed to see.

[Frisbeetarian]

Doesn't it sound a bit idiotic, with all due the respect to the NON-Believers in here, that a single cell or something created this world? That the world just appeared? There has to be something divine behind all that...there must be.

Alright since everything needs to have a source. Where does god come from?

[General-Specific]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Alright since everything needs to have a source. Where does god come from?

God is the source of everything. This is the concept of God. He started everything (maybe big bang) and then the universe was created.

[Frisbeetarian]

God is the source of everything. This is the concept of God. He started everything (maybe big bang) and then the universe was created.

Yeah but who created him? How did he come into existence?
If an answer falls short from being, then the logic which stands behind the assumption that everything needs to have originated from somewhere ceases to be valid and makes the logic behind the questioning and the refutation of a creator all the more plausible. Since god doesnt have to have a creator well then why should we or the universe or the big bang?

[Jasper]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Yeah but who created him? How did he come into existence?
If an answer falls short from being, then the logic which stands behind the assumption that everything needs to have originated from somewhere ceases to be valid and makes the logic behind the questioning and the refutation of a creator all the more plausible. Since god doesnt have to have a creator well then why should we or the universe or the big bang?

Well, there's the difference between you and God. He's a divine force, he's always been there. Believe me, this is one of those questions I keep asking myself, but at the end...I come to the a conclusion that I might never figure out that answer...and that is why I'm not GOD.

[Frisbeetarian]

Well, there's the difference between you and God. He's a divine force, he's always been there. Believe me, this is one of those questions I keep asking myself, but at the end...I come to the a conclusion that I might never figure out that answer...and that is why I'm not GOD.

So, we come to the conclusion that organized religion falls short on that answer. Like many questions beside it, organized religion just falls short. Even the most simplistic of arguments can render this whole god delusion a laughable event; i.e the question which proposes why their god hadnt cast any prophets on the americas.

But in the question i asked i wasnt interested in nullifying god's existence, i was rather interested in proving that the logic which stands behind "eveything needs a creator" is false. Since everyone fails to direct as to gods creator, i fail to see why this whole cosmos should have a creator also. If god happened by chance, why not the universe?

[TripolySunni]

Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Frisbeetarian

Yeah but who created him? How did he come into existence?
If an answer falls short from being, then the logic which stands behind the assumption that everything needs to have originated from somewhere ceases to be valid and makes the logic behind the questioning and the refutation of a creator all the more plausible. Since god doesnt have to have a creator well then why should we or the universe or the big bang?

Nobody created God, He isn't a creation he is The Creator which is Un-Created.