DHIMMI - Non-Muslims living in the Khilafah

[abuabdallah]

DHIMMI - Non-Muslims living in the Khilafah

The position of non-Muslims living under Islamic rule (dhimmi) is a widely misunderstood topic. Those wishing to attack Islam and its systems portray Islam’s treatment of the dhimmi as worse than its treatment of animals. Historical incidents where dhimmi suffered persecution at particular times are generalised and quoted out of context in order to back up their claims.

Joseph Farah, founder of the WorldNetDaily news site states:

Under Islamic Shari’ah law, non-believers – Christians and Jews anyway – are permitted to live as long as they support Islam through their Dhimmi taxes and are willing to accept what amounts to a third- or fourth-class servile existence, always subject to pogroms, false accusations and ill treatment. Dhimmis always live in fear.1


Melanie Philips, prominent UK based Zionist author and commentator states:


‘Dhimmi’ is the status of infidels under Islam who are permitted to live in Muslim jurisdictions but only with restrictions as second-class citizens.2


To answer this accusation that dhimmi are second-class citizens who will have a miserable existence living in a future Khilafah we need to look at Islam’s view on citizenship and how it applies to non-Muslims.

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http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/the-khi...-khilafah.html

[Darwin]

....And your point is?
Us praying for the day khilafa would come so we can live happily ever after?

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

With all due respect to all religious beliefs, but I reject any governance system that will discriminate on basis of religion, starting with today's sectarian system, all the way to the Dhimmi.

Gross exageration or not, that is not an equalitarian system, where all citizens enjoy the same freedom and responsibilities. There is a clear distinction in the treatment of Non-Muslims and Muslims that no one can deny.

[Marigold]

Originally Posted by abuabdallah

DHIMMI - Non-Muslims living in the Khilafah

The position of non-Muslims living under Islamic rule (dhimmi) is a widely misunderstood topic. Those wishing to attack Islam and its systems portray Islam’s treatment of the dhimmi as worse than its treatment of animals. Historical incidents where dhimmi suffered persecution at particular times are generalised and quoted out of context in order to back up their claims.

Joseph Farah, founder of the WorldNetDaily news site states:

Under Islamic Shari’ah law, non-believers – Christians and Jews anyway – are permitted to live as long as they support Islam through their Dhimmi taxes and are willing to accept what amounts to a third- or fourth-class servile existence, always subject to pogroms, false accusations and ill treatment. Dhimmis always live in fear.1


Melanie Philips, prominent UK based Zionist author and commentator states:


‘Dhimmi’ is the status of infidels under Islam who are permitted to live in Muslim jurisdictions but only with restrictions as second-class citizens.2


To answer this accusation that dhimmi are second-class citizens who will have a miserable existence living in a future Khilafah we need to look at Islam’s view on citizenship and how it applies to non-Muslims.

CONTINUED ON

http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/the-khi...-khilafah.html

The source you provided here is khilafah.com, which is one of the main websites for Hizb ut-Tahrir. Given the nature of this group, and its clandestine activity that is mainly aimed at overthrowing sovereign governments to establish the khilafah, they would be in my opinion the least credible source to explain the position of dhimmis. Plus, we don't need sites like this one to explain to us what we already know. The collective memory of many of the minority communities in the Middle East has been shaped by ongoing mistreatments since the days of the Ummayads and thru the Ottomans. We don’t need a biased site like this one to try to embellish or justify something that we know thru the first hand experience of our ancestors as a bad practice and policy.

[nizaryahya]

Abu Abdallah,
I quote from the contiuation of your post:

tell them if they do so, then they will have the rights which the Muhajireen enjoy and they will have duties like the duties upon the Muhajireen

Then there is this:

This hadith means if they do not move to the land of the Muhajireen they would not enjoy what the Muhajireen enjoy

This is not a correct deduction.
(If A Then B) Does not tell you what happens when (NOT A).
In other words: A implies B, is different than (NOT A) implies (NOT B).

So I stopped reading since the article lacks logical coherence... (amongst many other things it lacks like a touch with reality).

[Genius]

Originally Posted by nizaryahya

Abu Abdallah,
I quote from the contiuation of your post:



Then there is this:



This is not a correct deduction.
(If A Then B) Does not tell you what happens when (NOT A).
In other words: A implies B, is different than (NOT A) implies (NOT B).

So I stopped reading since the article lacks logical coherence... (amongst many other things it lacks like a touch with reality).

NIzar

I admire you since you took time to read it.

Imagine having to pay taxes in the US, Europe , Lebanon based on your religion!! then they agree the system treats everyone equally ...

Imagine having laws that cannot be changed and can be manipulated because they are written in poetry 1000 years ago

We need a dynamic secualr system that treats EVERY HUMAN EQUALLY ... the faith should BE A PERSONAL MATTER and FREE !!

Salam !

[nizaryahya]

Originally Posted by Genius

We need a dynamic secualr system that treats EVERY HUMAN EQUALLY ... the faith should BE A PERSONAL MATTER and FREE !!

لا اكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لا انفصام لها والله سميع عليم


There is no compulsion in faith.
The guided attitude is henceforth made obviously distinct from evil agression.
And he who rejecteth the false deities (the agressors forcing into error) and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm hold which will never break.
Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Whate clearer than this in Quran does one need to read to understand that discrimination against religion and laws to force or favor a faith are not Islamic. They simply are against the Quran.

[dodzi]

Tayeb, this is all great... But what is the point of that thread?
- Understanding islam and eliminating prejudice
- Not being afraid of muslims
- Supporting an islamic state if not muslim?

Because eitherway I would never support an islamic state, no matter how well-thought it might be. I believe only in secularism, the separation between church and religion...

[Genius]

Originally Posted by nizaryahya

لا اكراه في الدين قد تبين الرشد من الغي فمن يكفر بالطاغوت ويؤمن بالله فقد استمسك بالعروة الوثقى لا انفصام لها والله سميع عليم


There is no compulsion in faith.
The guided attitude is henceforth made obviously distinct from evil agression.
And he who rejecteth the false deities (the agressors forcing into error) and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm hold which will never break.
Allah is Hearer, Knower.

Whate clearer than this in Quran does one need to read to understand that discrimination against religion and laws to force or favor a faith are not Islamic. They simply are against the Quran.

NIzar - GReat it is telling us nobody should be forced to beleive

But why is it then imposing extra taxes?? isnt that indirect pressure? discrimination based on religion

This becomes against someone's religion

[nizaryahya]

Originally Posted by Genius

NIzar - GReat it is telling us nobody should be forced to beleive

But why is it then imposing extra taxes?? isnt that indirect pressure? discrimination based on religion

This becomes against someone's religion

where does it say in Quran that chrisians or other religions should be taxed differently or more?
These are all laws indoctrinated for very specific situations and mostly not at the time of the prophet. The prophet did not even ask Jews in Madina for Jezya...

My explanation is: Greedy rulers. Habibi Genius, some christian cities used even to convert to Islam, but because of greed the rulers would refuse the converters so that they keep enforcing these taxes.

It is all about money!