Atheism - opinions, questions & answers

[AUBite]

I think we ought to have such a discussion topic following the "Religious FAQ" topics

Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of gods and rejects Theism. Atheists mainly share common skeptical concerns regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities.
(from Wikipedia.org)

I will not say that without religions there'd be no wars, because we would've differentiated ourselves with other means (imagine a war between blonds and brunettes), but I am confident that we would be better off in a world without deities.


My views:

Miracles : I read on this forum ( I can't find it anymore ) that had God existed, miracles would be like no AIDS, no poverty, not some tears from a wooden human-made thing once in a while. Also, the " explain this and explain that" is non-sense, Science doesn't pretend being exhaustive and THERE are tons of unexplained stuff that we need to work on to identify in the future.

Tons of religions : I mean god, really, why did you have to be so annoying and send us that many "preachers" who pretend to be fighting for your cause? Can't you just stop them if you were really there?

History : Galileo Galilei was an Italian physicist. In 1610, he claimed that all celestial bodies revolve around the Earth, that the Sun doesn't move and that the Earth is not flat. He was trialed for Heresy by the Church, hated by everyone. He was slightly mistaken, but point is, if Humans were that stupid less then 400 years ago, you can imagine WHY that much people believe in Bible, Coran, and that stuff. I honestly think that Harry Potter is more trustworthy then those books. "Ce n'est pas parcequ'ils sont nombreux qu'ils ont raisons".

Metaphysics : It is absolutely unconceivable from a metaphysical (ergo, Scientifical) perspective that such an irrational thing as the general definition of god and religions to exist. It's either Science, or Religion, car or Donkey, Plane or Horse, Medecine or Praying, etc..

Psychology : ... idea of God implies the abdication of human reason and justice; it is the most decisive negation of human liberty, and necessarily ends in the enslavement of mankind, in theory and practice (Bakhunin). For Sigmund Freud and many others, God was created by humans to fulfill needs and wants.

"Dieu est un ami immaginaire auquel on demande des services irréalisables." (AUBite, 2006)

[Kasparov]

Review : http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...hew/logic.html

To be used in this discussion, very useful reference if you want to go into a constructive debates, since its about Atheism, I suggest this be the reference model we all use when debating .

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by AUBite

"Dieu est un ami immaginaire auquel on demande des services irréalisables." (AUBite, 2006)

C'est que tu ne l'as pas encore rencontré!! Je ne t'attaque pas! Je réponds à ta citation!!

[Osiris]

As Kasparov mentioned, atheism is based on Logic.. nothing more nothing less!

Isn't it so obvious !?
I mean, people.. look around you!

God didn't create people, but you, religious people, created God in an effort to explain your fears, the unknown, the fear of death and a promised life after death, you fear death, you people need someone to take care of you, someone to protect you when you feel weak, the sum of what we don't know.. God is a creature of human thinking: you people created God because you needed something to believe in..

Look at it.. you people created Judaism, Christianity and finally Islam.. These religions preach the same lie, but they are full of contradictions.. you could not even agree on one religion or sect! Human nature at its best!

Religion is an idea.. worshiping something, a "super power", is a human need. Look at your history, you started worshiping small statuettes, then you evolved into worshiping one "super power": the sun (Akhenaten), then the idea of one almighty God came.. then version one of monotheism, Judaism, appeared, then a new upgraded version took control, finally "la crème de la crème" appeared with Islam.. and who knows what's gonna appear next. Evolutions applies to human nature also, it applies to religion.

Isn't it too obvious?

Finally, atheist people have nothing to prove! Religious people need to prove that God really exists, not the contrary.

[Xena]

ce sujet ne m'est point étranger....

i had my share of atheism and i used to give the same speech you guys just gave us! but i eventually changed my mind as i am open enough to accept new ideas (as stupid and retarded they may at first seem).

i can't prove to you the existence of God, since each one of us finds God thanks to certain experiences we go through in life! God says that the proof of his existence is everywhere around us, and that we only need to have a little faith to see it!... i see it every day! and that's enough for me to believe in his existence!

but i have one question, what makes you so sure that your claims are true!
how can you be so sure about the non existence of God? i'm not asking you to prove anything! i don't need to be super smart to believe in God, but i think those who don"t believe in God need to have an extremely wide knowledge in oder to refute the God concept!...since we are all born with this idea (not really my case though), what made you think that this idea is wrong? when did it all start? please tell us! i'm curious to know!

i sometimes wonder if it's the non-belief in God, or the rejection of God! one claims that God doesn't exist, and the other shows you're angry at him so you just claim his not real! there's always those two types of atheists! i wonder which one are you?

[AUBite]

Originally Posted by Kakou

C'est que tu ne l'as pas encore rencontré!! Je ne t'attaque pas! Je réponds à ta citation!!

Je ne l'ai pas pris comme une attaque :).. Je respecte les croyances mais c'est comme si je te disais : les orques existent, si tu ne le sais pas, c'est que tu ne les a pas rencontrés !!
Je te renvoie vers cette page que Kasparov a donné : http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...hew/logic.html .



Xena, Osiris gave you the perfect answer : Finally, atheist people have nothing to prove! Religious people need to prove that God really exists, not the contrary.
But why do you want God to be the "beginning"? Can't we just set it to earth, or better, say we don't have a clue?! This simply isn't an argument.

[Xena]

Originally Posted by AUBite

Xena, Osiris gave you the perfect answer : Finally, atheist people have nothing to prove! Religious people need to prove that God really exists, not the contrary.
But why do you want God to be the "beginning"? Can't we just set it to earth, or better, say we don't have a clue?! This simply isn't an argument.

i'm not a preacher and i wouldn't care less if you're an atheist, trust me! but this is just full of inconsistency! eno you don't have to prove anything! i told you i'm not waiting for a proof! i'm just curious to know what made you stop believing in God (assuming that when you were a kid you did).

i don't want a debate where i give proves about God existence and you give me proves that he doesn't! ma ra7 noussal lama7al, i know it! unless you want me to give proves, hek ossa tenyeh!

you have to pay attention to one thing, that not all those who believe in God, believe in him because they have proves, w not all atheist don't believe in him because they are knowledgeable ;) (it goes both ways ;) )

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by AUBite

I think we ought to have such a discussion topic following the "Religious FAQ" topics

Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of gods and rejects Theism. Atheists mainly share common skeptical concerns regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities.
(from Wikipedia.org)

I will not say that without religions there'd be no wars, because we would've differentiated ourselves with other means (imagine a war between blonds and brunettes), but I am confident that we would be better off in a world without deities.


My views:

Miracles : I read on this forum ( I can't find it anymore ) that had God existed, miracles would be like no AIDS, no poverty, not some tears from a wooden human-made thing once in a while. Also, the " explain this and explain that" is non-sense, Science doesn't pretend being exhaustive and THERE are tons of unexplained stuff that we need to work on to identify in the future.

Tons of religions : I mean god, really, why did you have to be so annoying and send us that many "preachers" who pretend to be fighting for your cause? Can't you just stop them if you were really there?

History : Galileo Galilei was an Italian physicist. In 1610, he claimed that all celestial bodies revolve around the Earth, that the Sun doesn't move and that the Earth is not flat. He was trialed for Heresy by the Church, hated by everyone. He was slightly mistaken, but point is, if Humans were that stupid less then 400 years ago, you can imagine WHY that much people believe in Bible, Coran, and that stuff. I honestly think that Harry Potter is more trustworthy then those books. "Ce n'est pas parcequ'ils sont nombreux qu'ils ont raisons".

Metaphysics : It is absolutely unconceivable from a metaphysical (ergo, Scientifical) perspective that such an irrational thing as the general definition of god and religions to exist. It's either Science, or Religion, car or Donkey, Plane or Horse, Medecine or Praying, etc..

Psychology : ... idea of God implies the abdication of human reason and justice; it is the most decisive negation of human liberty, and necessarily ends in the enslavement of mankind, in theory and practice (Bakhunin). For Sigmund Freud and many others, God was created by humans to fulfill needs and wants.

"Dieu est un ami immaginaire auquel on demande des services irréalisables." (AUBite, 2006)

I like the T-Shirt, but atheism or more accurately "to be godless", is responsible for more terror in one century than several centuries of religion. When God is taken out of the equation, the result is Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, North Korea, and men who think they are God such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. When there is no fear in God, you will see the face of terror in it's most efficient and calculated nature. There are no boundaries.

I would also like to point out that no matter how much atheists talk about science, there beliefs are dependant on the validity of "the theory of human evolution", in the same way that a Christian's beliefs is dependant on the Bible, a Muslim on the Qur'an...

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by Gaius Julius Caesar

I like the T-Shirt, but atheism or more accurately "to be godless", is responsible for more terror in one century than several centuries of religion. When God is taken out of the equation, the result is Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Red China, Cuba, North Korea, and men who think they are God such as Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. When there is no fear in God, you will see the face of terror in it's most efficient and calculated nature. There are no boundaries.

We better not talk about religious wars against humanity.
Well, let's put it this way.. do the math and you can come out with the conclusion. It is not your strong point.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Originally Posted by Osiris

We better not talk about religious wars against humanity.
Well, let's put it this way.. do the math and you can come out with the conclusion. It is not your strong point.

I'll just say this; in WW2 alone, how many lives were lost? Without even counting the holocaust. In the Soviet Union under Stalin, how many people were murdered? Check it out. Religious wars pale in comparison to the efficient slaughter of innocent beings in the non-religious wars perpetrated by Godless people, who had no fear in God.