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[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by Free_Patriot

The father is one personification of God. The son is another, and the holy spirit is a third. They are three personifications of one God.

I think by talking about who is superior, Jehovah’s witnesses complicated even more an already very complicated concept.

Thats what i thought first , then i was told that this is wrong and Jesus is the son and the father is the spirit !!

So the conclusion is , Jesus is the son , the father and the spirit !!

Why personified in the three ?? What made him do this in that time and not at our time ? How could a God die in the hands of his creatuers ???

I am confused ..

Salam

[Omeros]

all of this are before jesus from masons etc .....
im going crazy i didnt get anything
tab wy everybody want to destroy some ideas how they proof there ideas
god is god after all dont care about anything else this is should be our faith ?
u know u remember me about this proverbe:
ويخبرونك عن رب العلى كذبا فما درى بشوؤن الله انسان

[Omeros]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Thats what i thought first , then i was told that this is wrong and Jesus is the son and the father is the spirit !!

So the conclusion is , Jesus is the son , the father and the spirit !!

Why personified in the three ?? What made him do this in that time and not at our time ? How could a God die in the hands of his creatuers ???

I am confused ..

Salam

اتعلم حين سالت عن الموضوع كان حشؤية لا اكثر
وانا عادة لاكبت الضيلع من ناحية الايمان حين تتفاقم المذاه اقول ان الدين هو منطق يربط الانسان بالله فالله هو المحبة لدينا كلنا انه كطفل صغير لا يجب ان نضخم الامور انه طفل يريد منا ان نلعب معه كالاطفال زاهدين بالماديات (فالاطفال زهاد من الدلرجة الاولى فلا تهمهم المادة) نلعب معه الى اخر العمر فالانسان يقال على صورة الله وكيف يبدا الانسان طفال اذا الله كالطفل والانبياء والرسل بعثوا ليعيدوا تصويب طفولتنا فالاطفال دائما بحاجة لبعض الارشاد ليتعلموا قوانين اللعبة
بالنهاية الدين هو زاوية ننظر من خلالها الى الله وجميع الطرقات توصلنا لان مبدا الثواب والعقاب يرتكز على الاعمال

[lebanese_a]

I was wondering if people writing in arabic in this thread could please write in bigger fonts coz those fonts are really hard to read!

[Marhoum]

Originally Posted by رؤيا

هل الهدف تدميلر الكنيسة ام ماذا
لماذا الولايات المتحدة ولماذا كل البدع تنشا من هناك
اذا لا يؤمنون بخلود النفس اذا لا يؤمنون بالحياة الاخرى بمعنى اخر هل يدعون لاانغماس في ملذات الدنيا

كنيسة المسيح لا يستطيع أحد أن يدمّرها والكنيسة تضمّ كل مؤمن حقيقي بالمسيح في كل العالم، ان ابواب الجحيم لن تقوى عليها، والبدع كانت كثيرة بالتارخ المسيحي، وستبقى حتى مجيء المسيح ثانية، وحيث وجدت الحنطة وجد الزوان وهي موجودة أي البدع لتنقية ايمان المؤمنين بالمسيح ،وبطرس الرسول لا يمكن ان يتحوّل ليهوذا الاسخريوطي

[Free_Patriot]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Thats what i thought first , then i was told that this is wrong and Jesus is the son and the father is the spirit !!

So the conclusion is , Jesus is the son , the father and the spirit !!

Why personified in the three ?? What made him do this in that time and not at our time ? How could a God die in the hands of his creatuers ???

I am confused ..

Salam

Me too I am confused. I am secular agnostic person and maybe others are better than me in explaining this to you, in addition it might be off topic. But if community MODs would allow me, and since this could be considered as the way Christians disagree with Jehovah’s witnesses, let me briefly describe what I understand on the issue.

The general concept adopted by Christianity that over shadows what appears to be contradictions is the one adopted by the council of Nicea in 325 AM as follows:

“We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who emanated from the Father - and the son [Catholics only] - , who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.”



So the son, the father, and the Holy Spirit are all One Almighty God that forever existed. The three personifications of God are possible because God is omnipresent. God did not die on the cross, the human body of Jesus died. No one could kill the spirit. Even when the human gets tortured, his soul remains intact. God did that in that time because he had a message to send, just like he chose to send his messenger Mohamed at a certain time in history.
The death of Jesus on the cross represents the ultimate sacrifice, dying for God and his message. Death was however defeated and eternal life given proven by the rise of Christ from the dead three days later. (Happy Easter tomorrow!)
The incarnation of God into Jesus represents the amount of love, modesty, and dedication God has for humans.

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by Free_Patriot

Me too I am confused. I am secular agnostic person and maybe others are better than me in explaining this to you, in addition it might be off topic. But if community MODs would allow me, and since this could be considered as the way Christians disagree with Jehovah’s witnesses, let me briefly describe what I understand on the issue.

The general concept adopted by Christianity that over shadows what appears to be contradictions is the one adopted by the council of Nicea in 325 AM as follows:

“We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.
And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who emanated from the Father - and the son [Catholics only] - , who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.”



So the son, the father, and the Holy Spirit are all One Almighty God that forever existed. The three personifications of God are possible because God is omnipresent. God did not die on the cross, the human body of Jesus died. No one could kill the spirit. Even when the human gets tortured, his soul remains intact. God did that in that time because he had a message to send, just like he chose to send his messenger Mohamed at a certain time in history.
The death of Jesus on the cross represents the ultimate sacrifice, dying for God and his message. Death was however defeated and eternal life given proven by the rise of Christ from the dead three days later. (Happy Easter tomorrow!)
The incarnation of God into Jesus represents the amount of love, modesty, and dedication God has for humans.

Still confused , but anyways i will try to understand what you said.

God made humans , God feed humans , God love humans ,God take care of humans ..etc Just like islamic view to GOD ..

But how is GOD died for humans and there is hell .. ??
Do the christains beleive in relegious plurlasim ??

Salam

[Free_Patriot]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Still confused , but anyways i will try to understand what you said.

God made humans , God feed humans , God love humans ,God take care of humans ..etc Just like islamic view to GOD ..

But how is GOD died for humans and there is hell .. ??
Do the christains beleive in relegious plurlasim ??

Salam

God did not die. Read my previous post. God showed humans the meaning of sacrifice in modesty and love, and how is sacrifice for God pays off when humans get the eternal life by learning from Jesus.

There is hell as long as there is evil and wrong doings. Peace and goodness lead to the kingdom of heaven, evil and wrong doings lead to hell. Search for the kinddom of heaven and hell in your own heart and you will see Jesus it's been a long time I haven't talked like that, could someone take over please?

Unfortunately Christianity does not believe in religious pluralism, but the church does believe in dialogue with people of other faith especially muslims and jews because they believe in God. I personally think that religious pluralism is present because God wanted it. God apparently wanted humans to have their faith constantly challenged, hence He purposely allowed multiple religions to happen with no one prevailing over the other. Therefore, all good individuals will have the eternal life. But personally, I am not expecting anything really.

I apologize for being off topic, I shall stop here. There is another thread about faith, you're welcome to carry on the discussion there.

[Osiris]

Originally Posted by drmaalouf

4/ If you want to learn why JWs are wrong, you simply have to read the history of its founder who was known to be a crook (court documents available) and who retranslated and changed words in the Bible to make it sound as he wanted (for example John 1:1, etc...)

There we go again Dr. Maalouf !! I dunno why, but I like arguing with you.

About your statement that JWs are wrong, I really can not get you: what you believe in is the ONLY right thing and everything else is wrong!

You just find something "wrong" in everything you don't believe in.

Just one thing: you should accept other people's beliefs, including, of course, JWs. What you think may be right, but what they think may end up being the right thing! Maybe your four bibles were all retranslated and changed over time, maybe not... You can never know !

My point is that you cannot just conclude about anything like you did in your statement.

Cheers.

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by Free_Patriot

God did not die. Read my previous post. God showed humans the meaning of sacrifice in modesty and love, and how is sacrifice for God pays off when humans get the eternal life by learning from Jesus.

This is exactly what Jihad is !!

There is hell as long as there is evil and wrong doings. Peace and goodness lead to the kingdom of heaven, evil and wrong doings lead to hell. Search for the kinddom of heaven and hell in your own heart and you will see Jesus it's been a long time I haven't talked like that, could someone take over please?

You should start preaching in a church. Preist Patriot !!
I will take over , what you said dosent contradict with my beleives , all what you have to do is replace the word jesus by Allah (awj).

Unfortunately Christianity does not believe in religious pluralism, but the church does believe in dialogue with people of other faith especially muslims and jews because they believe in God. I personally think that religious pluralism is present because God wanted it. God apparently wanted humans to have their faith constantly challenged, hence He purposely allowed multiple religions to happen with no one prevailing over the other. Therefore, all good individuals will have the eternal life. But personally, I am not expecting anything really.

Well , in islam its still under studies. (Shiat school of thought)
However, i do beleive that those who dosent hurt people will go to heaven.

Salam