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Default الكبت الجنسي - 18th July 2007

العالم العربي يعيش في الكبت الجنسي ...في لب الكبت الجنسي ...باسم الدين ...باسم التقاليد ...باسم الله ...باسم كل شئ ....
انه مكبوت جنسيا لدرجة انه حين يرى يد ظاهرة .....يشعر باثارة جنسية !
حين يرى امراة على التلفاز يشعر باثارة !
كل همه الجنس ..كل همه كيف يؤمن الجنس ....وكل ما يقوم به في هذه الحياة هدفه الجنس .....
كبتهم الجنسي ....يجعلهم يتصرفون بطريقة غير مقبولة لا اخلاقيا ولا اجتماعيا ..
فمثلا هناك من يتزوج نساء لم يبلغوا بعد ...او يتزوجون نساء لم يروهن ...او يشترون النساء ...هذا سببه الكبت الجنسي ..

لا اعرف لم هم يكبتون رغباتهم لا اعرف ما المانع من ممارسة الحب ان كان يستند على الحب او ما المانع من ممارسة الجنس ان كان الرجا والمراة موافقين ...
لا اعرف ما المانع ....وما هذا العقدة المسماة بالجنس او ممارسة الحب ...
اساسها ربما العصور الاموية حيث بات التفلت لحده الاقصى مع الخلفاء ...

انا ارى انه ليس من داع ان يكبت الفرد رغباته الجنسية ....فان كان اثنان يحبان بعضهما يجب ان يختبرا حبهما
وان لم يكونا كحبين لكن ارادا القيام بعلاقة فهم احرار

في الولايات المتحدة ابان الحرب العالمية الثانية ....كانت الثورة الجنسية ...هذه الثورة افادت المراة لاقصى حد فهي اخرجتها من قمقم المنزل والاب ..متى ستبز الثورة الجنسية . متى سنعالج هذا الكبت ؟
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The sexual revolution refers to a change in sexual morality and sexual behavior throughout the Western world. In general use, the term refers to a later trend of equalizing sexual behavior which is generally accepted to have started in the 1960s, although the term has been used at least since the late 1920s.

The term appeared as early as 1929; the book Is Sex Necessary?, by Thurber & White, has a chapter titled The Sexual Revolution: Being a Rather Complete Survey of the Entire Sexual Scene.

One suggested trigger for the modern revolution was the development of the birth control pill in 1960, which gave women access to easy and reliable contraception. Another likely factor was vast improvements in obstetrics, which greatly reduced the number of women who die in childbirth and thus increases the life expectancy of women. Other data suggest the "revolution" was more directly influenced by the financial independence gained by many women who entered the workforce during and after World War II, making the revolution more about individual equality rather than biological independence. Many people, however, feel that one specific cause cannot be selected for this large phenomenon.[1]

Some historians argue that sexual revolution was not a complete break from earlier Western sexual attitudes but rather a liberalization after a conservative period that only existed between the 1930s and 1950s. They note that the Cold War sparked a socially conformist identity which tended to be self-conscious of its appearance to the outside world. Within the United States, this conformity took on puritanical overtones which contradicted natural or even, ironically, culturally-established human sexual behaviors. It was this period of Cold War puritanism, some say, which logically led to a cultural rebellion in the form of the "sexual revolution". Despite this, however, before the 1920s the Victorian era was much more conservative than even the 1930s and 1950s. Due to the invention of TV and the increasingly wide use of it in the 50s, by the 1960s a vast majority of Americans had television. This mass communication device, along with other media outlets such as radio and magazines, could broadcast information in a matter of seconds to millions of people, while only a few wealthy people would control what millions of people would watch. Some have now theorized that perhaps that these media outlets helped spread new ideas among the masses. A prime example of this occurred during the early 1960s when the Beatles (virtually unknown at the time) came to America and was introduced on the Ed Sullivan show. Once the show was over they were an instant hit. Forty million Americans had watched it that night and thus morals in one perspective changed instantly; although obviously it would take longer for this to occur. The mass media's broadcasting of new ideas to the population was radical, and during the late 1960s the counterculture was becoming well known on radio, newspapers, TV and other media outlets.

The extent to which the sexual revolution involved major changes in sexual behavior, however, is questionable. Many observers have suggested that the main change was not that people had more sex or different types of sex, it was simply that they talked about it more openly than previous generations had done. Historian David Allyn argues it was a time of "coming-out": about premarital sex, masturbation, erotic fantasies, pornography use, and homosexuality.[2] Although this may be true, some historians have doubts on this due to the lack of contraceptives en masse before the common era. This would have made it extremely difficult to cover up pre-martial relations due to extremely high risk of pregnancy.

It is clear that sexual behavior did change radically for the vast majority of women, but only a generation after the "revolution" had begun. Women reaching sexual maturity after about 1984 have behaviors much more in common with the men of a generation earlier. Some had more partners (two to three times), starting at an earlier age (by three to five years), than women of the generation of the 1970s. Nevertheless this rather radical change in actual behavior is rarely reported on, being regarded as no longer newsworthy.


Historical development

The sexual revolution can be seen as an outgrowth of a process in recent history, though its roots may be traced back as far as the Enlightenment (Marquis de Sade) and the Victorian era (A. C. Swinburne's scandalous Poems and Ballads of 1866). It was a development in the modern world which saw the significant loss of power by the values of a morality rooted in the Christian tradition and the rise of permissive societies, of attitudes that were accepting of greater sexual freedom and experimentation that spread all over the world and were captured in the phrase free love.

Throughout the 1960s and 1970s Sweden was an international leader in what is now referred to as the "sexual revolution," with gender equality particularly promoted during this time.

Modern revolutions

The Industrial Revolution during the nineteenth century and the growth of science and technology, medicine and health care, resulted in better contraceptives being manufactured. Advances in the manufacture and production of rubber made possible the design and production of condoms that could be used by hundreds of millions of men and women to prevent pregnancy at little cost. Advances in steel production and immunology made abortion readily available. Advances in chemistry, pharmacology, and knowledge of biology, and human physiology and all sorts of new drugs led to the discovery and perfection of the first oral contraceptives also known as "The Pill". New drugs like Viagra helped impotent men have an erection and increased the potency of others. Purchasing an aphrodisiac and various sex toys became "normal". Sado-masochism ("S&M") gained popularity, and "no-fault" unilateral divorce became legal and easier to obtain in many countries during the 1960s and 1970s.

All these developments took place alongside and combined with an increase in world literacy and decline in religious observances. Old values such as the notion of "be fruitful and multiply" rooted in the Bible, for example, were cast aside as people continued to feel alienated from the past and adopted the life-styles of modernizing westernized cultures.

Another thing that helped bring about this more modern revolution of sexual freedom was the writing of Herbert Marcuse and Wilhelm Reich, who took the philosophy of Karl Marx and other such philosophers, and mixed together this chant for freedom of sexual rights and release in our modern culture.

Freudian school

Doctor Sigmund Freud of Vienna believed the roots of human behavior were in the libido. This new modern "science" of psychoanalysis revolutionized an entire culture's self image. Victorian prudishness was shoved aside by a new consciousness of a sex drive. Men had an Oedipus complex and women had ***** envy according to Freud. The mother's breast was the source of all later erotic sensation. This new philosophy was the new intellectual and cultural underpinning ideology of the new age of sexual frankness. Nonetheless, much of his research is widely discredited by professionals in the field.

The Anarchist Freud scholars Otto Gross and Wilhelm Reich (who famously coined the phrase "Sexual Revolution") developed a sociology of sex in the 1920s and 1930s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution
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How is the sexual revolution in Lebanon?

Are there still some tabus?
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How is the sexual revolution in Lebanon?

Are there still some tabus?
there is no sexual revolution ..... this subject is a tabus .....none talk about it ....everyone do what they want 2 do but without saying a word ... "3al saket " .....
the proof that no one replied here ;) got it !
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there is no sexual revolution ..... this subject is a tabus .....none talk about it ....everyone do what they want 2 do but without saying a word ... "3al saket " .....
the proof that no one replied here ;) got it !
hahahah exactly! everyone does everything but nobody says it out loud!
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there is no sexual revolution ..... this subject is a tabus .....none talk about it ....everyone do what they want 2 do but without saying a word ... "3al saket " .....
the proof that no one replied here ;) got it !
Omeros I knew it I even knew I wont get (too many) replies, so thanks for your honesty!:)

Well actually I find it negative conditioning the society for this kind of attitude. I mean I know, through what I heard from Lebanese, that everybody is doing there everything so no tabus actually just that to their environment, to their parents they play a different role.

Why? Cant they be just honest with each others and have some things openly what would be much healthier in my opinion.

Like the living together with other than your husband/wife. I heard its impossible to live together with friends from the other gender/ or your partner without getting labelled by your environment.
First its so much fun living together with other students for example while you are at uni, and why cant they be from both genders? (I always think of the L' Auberge espagnole:p) Or why cant you live together for a while with your chosen partner so that you will know for sure you have chosen well for your marriage. These all should be normal everyday things like in so many countries.
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Omeros I knew it I even knew I wont get (too many) replies, so thanks for your honesty!:)

Well actually I find it negative conditioning the society for this kind of attitude. I mean I know, through what I heard from Lebanese, that everybody is doing there everything so no tabus actually just that to their environment, to their parents they play a different role.
10x for u stella ....because when i opened that thread i was saying in my mind ...i doubt that someone will say one word bas here we are ...
look ....ill be 2 much honest it is a tabus when it concern chit chat ...bas its not a tabus when it concern something else
we have 2 understand something that our generation is totally different from my mother ou my grand mother generation for them a girl should be virgin .. should be so pure( pure= didnt knew a man "4 them") ...and the boy should marry at certain age ....
they don't talk about those stuff 4 many reasons as main reason that if i do i wont change a woman who's 50 or 60 years old...or we don't talk about such topics because we respect their faith and in order to prevent them from a heart attack...:P

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Why? Cant they be just honest with each others and have some things openly what would be much healthier in my opinion.
we will be abel after 20 years ... we have 2 wait the death of the old generation ..it would be better of course for us but for the old generation it will be the worst thing in the whole world they will see all their conceptions falling down


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Like the living together with other than your husband/wife. I heard its impossible to live together with friends from the other gender/ or your partner without getting labeled by your environment.
very true ...it is like " shame" or something like that ....

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10x for u stella ....cz when i opened that thread i was saying in my mind ...i doubt that someone will say one word bas here we are ...
look ....ill be 2 much honest it is a tabus when it concern chit chat ...bas its not a tabus when it concern somthing else
we have 2 understand somtgh that our generation is totally different from my mother ou my grand mother generation for them a girl should be virgin .. should be so pure( pure= didnt knew a man "4 them") ...and the boy should marry at certain age ....
they dont talk about those stuff 4 many reasons as main reason that if i do i wont change a woman who's 50 or 60 years old...or we don't talk about such tpoics because we respect their faith and in order to prevent them from a heart attack...:P


we will be abel after 20 years ... we have 2 wait the death of the old generation ..it would be better ofcourse for us but for the old generation it will be the worst thing in the whole world they will see all their conceptions falling down



very true ...it is like " shame" or somthgh like that ....

Certainly it has to do with the generation gap too, and in western countries actually in the country side villages the situation is the same. So it depends on how much conservative the society is.
Good news then the youth are changing everything worldwide, they started in the 1960s, and this generation continues to build down tabus as well.
However I dont support extreme liberalism, like I dont prefer the nordic liberal countries, nevertheless a certain degree of liberalism would be healthy. It depends on the moral and values of the society of course.
What I dislike a lot when the society turns into hypocrisy, like in so many arab countries, with for example the mutah marriage.
Maybe its off topic here but, I never forget that documentary about Morocco, where they were interviewing a 15 year old kid. This guy told to the cameras that hes already dating girls, and also sleeping with them:S but when he was asked whether he will marry his gf he said NO he wants to marry a virgin by all means! This I find truly hypocrate!!! When these boys in first hand sleep with the girls from the community how on earth dare they ask for a virgin girl in the end. Either they spare the girls and then they can marry a virgin, or they shall quit the hypocrate face and marry the girls they sleep with. /I can imagine other scenarios too when someone goes on sex tourism to professionals, or sleeps with aliens, yes in that case the girls from the community could be spared/
Eh but in first hand, when for someone the crucial criteria abt marriage is that the girl shall be virgin, then what can I say...
/not that it would be bad or something, but then the guy shall be a virgin too/
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Certainly it has to do with the generation gap too, and in western countries actually in the country side villages the situation is the same. So it depends on how much conservative the society is.
Good news then the youth are changing everything worldwide, they started in the 1960s, and this generation continues to build down tabus as well.
However I dont support extreme liberalism, like I dont prefer the nordic liberal countries, nevertheless a certain degree of liberalism would be healthy. It depends on the moral and values of the society of course.
What I dislike a lot when the society turns into hypocrisy, like in so many arab countries, with for example the mutah marriage.
Maybe its off topic here but, I never forget that documentary about Morocco, where they were interviewing a 15 year old kid. This guy told to the cameras that hes already dating girls, and also sleeping with them:S but when he was asked whether he will marry his gf he said NO he wants to marry a virgin by all mean! This I find truly hypocrate!!! When these boys in first hand sleep with the girls from the community how on earth dare they ask for a virgin girl in the end. Either they spare the girls and then they can marry a virgin, or they shall quit the hypocrate face and marry the girls they sleep with. /I can imagine other scenarios too when someone goes on sex tourism to professionals, or sleeps with aliens, yes in that case the girls from the community could be spared/
Eh but in first hand, when for someone the crucial criteria abt marriage is that the girl shall be virgin, then what can I say...
/not that it would be bad or something, but then the guy shall be a virgin too/
this is exactly why i recommend a sex revolution ( girls only can do it ) cz who have the right to judge me ....who have the right to say i m pure cz im virgin or no ... who have the right to control me my mind my freedom of choice ...who have the right to tell me u have act like this and not like that ..who have the right to make my own choices i can say yes i want a sex relation just for fun and i have the only right to say i want to stay virgin until i get marry .... bas before all that ( before making the choice) i should take my freedom and i repeat TAKE i wont wait the society ( lm3afne) and i wont wait my husband my bf my dad a MAN i wont wait them 2 have my rights cz those are my right ( reference : women rights )
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dear stella ,
i think sex " revolution" is a bit exagerated in using the term ,
because u must take under conditions the culture of the place where it happen , in lebanon the oriental culture is dominating , and this culture have its principles concerning love and sex , the social problems that lebanon is passing now , due to the war , and the disperation of the young guys and girls , the high rates of emigration ...etc , that affected the social stability and those are only part of the problem .
before a sex " revolution " , we before different kind of revolutions , like dispoccupied , the poor classes , the political stability ,...etc :)

cheers , kameraden
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