Zahle Elections 09 : Updates & Discussion

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

hanna and everyone seriously ,did you hear about na2l nofous until fpm
officials talked about it AFTER the elections. Skef might have said it once
3 years ago, but hey the opposition are so tough when it comes to HA
weapons, southern council budget and the international tribunal, byid3aso
bil ard w byimsho. but when it comes to winning such an influential
elections,and we all know that Zahle was the decisive battle, no one
gives it any importance or shed light on it before the elections, lak at
least to win more christian votes..all of that makes you wonder and question
our objection after the elections, and maybe the claim that the votes
transfer was illegally done.

Skaff spoke about it many times; he even mentioned it in his interview with Maguy Farah 2 weeks before the elections; before this, Kamal Feghali spoke about it.
What were we supposed to do? Demonstrate? 1.5 million Lebanese demonstrated in December 2006 but Sanioura didn't blink.
Ignite a civil war? There was May 7 but they used it in their favor and managed to convince their base that they were victims.
The problem is with the electoral law; if we adopt a proportional law with medium to big districts or preferably Lebanon as 1 district, this might be the first step towards reform; in this case, noufouss transfer would have minimal effect or no effect.

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

if teh sunna thinks by pointing out sa3douna& co crimes and atrocities we are attacking them so be it.

if sa3doun is teh sunna and vice versa....shou be3mel.

moush la7 nwa2eff hal shi.win or lose.
we see a crime we will attack it.PERIOD.

its way past attacking saniora and Saad now, we started attacking
sunni imams and calling the votes transfer a sunni invasion of constantine.

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

again, answer me :
do you think if we have praised sa3doun all day and looked away at his atrocities, we would have gotten a higher sunna %.

most Lebanese are poor, whether sunni, shiite or christian. If we focused
our campaign and policies on change and reform we wouldve definitely
had more popularity in the suni and druze street, but unfortunately we
had to play a game that our rivals(kataeb and Lf) are masters at.

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

dear, most of his sunna voters followed the money/sect trail.
and to break them away form him, you need to use MONEYYYYYYYYYYYY.

apparently half of the jins 3atil too.. saad's approach to get their votes
is dirty but did we even try to approach them?

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

thank god that from the look of it FPM leadership will not capitulate to the likes of your thinking and give sa3doun & co a free pass.

they didnt and look where we at now. we have 50% of the christians
and zero in the sunni and druze street. in 2005, we had 75% of the
christians and a sizable portion of sunnis. Facts are facts, our sectarian
approach didnt work, let alone that it contradicts the principles of the party.

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

sa3doun & co should brace themselves for a media counter offensive concerning zahle.
they scared people from velayat al faqih, WE WILL SCARE THE LIVING DAY OUT FROM THEM CONCERING THE fate of the chatholic city in lebanon ( at least our warnings are true unlike them).
sa3doun did his best in zahle, i mean all the sunna who could vote, voted for him.
2013 is only 4 years .

oh well then why didnt you scare them before the elections? why did we
start such a dirty campaign after the elections and not before it? if you
were to play it dirty it should have been done in the right time,not that
I agree with it anyway.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

oh no thanks, Id rather join Kataeb, they can spice up the sectarian
tone better than FPM in addition to a jins 3atil airport in jounieh.
coming out from you youshka, I really dont know what to
say. maybe you have given up on it but many didnt.we didnt "face" the reality
that the syrians were ruling our country in the pre 2005 era,did we?. we, the new FPM
generation refuse to adopt the hatred and sectarianism our parents fed
us due to our stupid civil war, and willing to fight it no matter what..

Please do not compare what is going on now in the country, to what was going on in the syrian era. With the Syrians, we were facing a foreign occupation, and we had all the right to do so. Today we are facing a LOCAL OCCUPATION, and if we say thing the way they are we are accused of being sectarian. What shall we do, hold banners and scream Saad tla3 barra?

And I do not know about you, the NEW FPM generation, but I, the OLD FPM generation was never fed up on sectarianism, neither were my parents, that is why I am an FPMer and not an ouwatjiyeh. This is why in Zahle, we always lived in harmony with all the sects, because there was mutual respect, and each one knew where his boundaries (not geographical) stopped.
Today, this is breached and this will induce sectarianism like you've never seen before, starting with me, the OLD FPMer.

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Abotareq93

Skaff spoke about it many times; he even mentioned it in his interview with Maguy Farah 2 weeks before the elections; before this, Kamal Feghali spoke about it.
What were we supposed to do? Demonstrate? 1.5 million Lebanese demonstrated in December 2006 but Sanioura didn't blink.
Ignite a civil war? There was May 7 but they used it in their favor and managed to convince their base that they were victims.
The problem is with the electoral law; if we adopt a proportional law with medium to big districts or preferably Lebanon as 1 district, this might be the first step towards reform; in this case, noufouss transfer would have minimal effect or no effect.

2 weeks ago? ya3ti alf 3efye el bek. So he mentioned it 3 years ago and one
time 2 weeks before the elections, and no other opposition figure moved a muscle.
What should they have done? simply boycott the elections, what the heck did they
expect from the sunni turnout? thats why you have electoral
machines you know.. something really stinks in this elections

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Please do not compare what is going on now in the country, to what was going on in the syrian era. With the Syrians, we were facing a foreign occupation, and we had all the right to do so. Today we are facing a LOCAL OCCUPATION, and if we say thing the way they are we are accused of being sectarian. What shall we do, hold banners and scream Saad tla3 barra?

And I do not know about you, the NEW FPM generation, but I, the OLD FPM generation was never fed up on sectarianism, neither were my parents, that is why I am an FPMer and not an ouwatjiyeh. This is why in Zahle, we always lived in harmony with all the sects, because there was mutual respect, and each one knew where his boundaries (not geographical) stopped.
Today, this is breached and this will induce sectarianism like you've never seen before, starting with me, the OLD FPMer.

ask skeff and the FPM leadership why did they "nemo 3ala 7arir" for 3 years
and let this slip away that easily. Im not blaming the christians and the
budhists of zahle..hariri seized the opportunity and transferred 10k of his followers
to Zahle, smart guy..

[Abotareq93]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

2 weeks ago? ya3ti alf 3efye el bek. So he mentioned it 3 years ago and one
time 2 weeks before the elections, and no other opposition figure moved a muscle.
What should they have done? simply boycott the elections, what the heck did they
expect from the sunni turnout? thats why you have electoral
machines you know.. something really stinks in this elections

Boycotting? That's what our rivals are pushing us to. We tried boycotting before but it didn't work.

[NAFAR]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

ask skeff and the FPM leadership why did they "nemo 3ala 7arir" for 3 years
and let this slip away that easily. Im not blaming the christians and the
budhists of zahle..hariri seized the opportunity and transferred 10k of his followers
to Zahle, smart guy..

Man let us forget about FPM for a while.
The zahliots if united can defeat the Hariri invasion ot heir city.
If the zahliots will vote in the same way as the hariri followers (90% for the true zahliote leaders) hariri and his 30 thousand followers will have no effect.
The main issue here is the christians division that is allowing others to weakening us.
I hope the jins 3atel wake up before it is too late and confront the hariri invasion

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

2 weeks ago? ya3ti alf 3efye el bek. So he mentioned it 3 years ago and one
time 2 weeks before the elections, and no other opposition figure moved a muscle.
What should they have done? simply boycott the elections, what the heck did they
expect from the sunni turnout? thats why you have electoral
machines you know.. something really stinks in this elections

Ya ibne don't you watch news? Wlek keef Elie Skaff spoke about it 2 weeks before Sarlo 1 year 3am bi sarrikh w ma hadan 3am byisma3! Not even you, then how the hell do you expect the others who don't care to listen! Wlek oufffffffffffffffffffffff

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Abotareq93

Boycotting? That's what our rivals are pushing us to. We tried boycotting before but it didn't work.

honestly, do you believe that the opposition give 1% effort to stop it? they
didnt even try and thats what matters. There were several ways to stop it,
you're not asking for a PM resignation here..

[kmarthe]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

ask skeff and the FPM leadership why did they "nemo 3ala 7arir" for 3 years
and let this slip away that easily. Im not blaming the christians and the
budhists of zahle..hariri seized the opportunity and transferred 10k of his followers
to Zahle, smart guy..

Without a doubt, many mistakes were made by FPM and Skaf in Zahle for the past few years. even me, a Zahliote who lives in Canada was aware and wrote many posts in this forum warning that the public opinion in Zahle was slipping away from GMA at high speed. How could those officials living there do nothing to attack what was going on ?? Were they that much disconnected ??

Now, we need a populist approach if we want to comeback. And most importantly, Skaf and Co. need to find a way to cancel the na2el noufouss that happened between 2005-2008 and restore the original demographic structure in this city. Let their lawayers and political experts do something, or let them try to bring 10K Zahliote decendents and register them in the coty to match the unbalance that took place.