Zahle Elections 09 : Updates & Discussion

[ecce homo]

Basing calculation on religious affiliation will not help. Demography will change the face of the country. What Lebanon needs is a secular state that can defend all religious minorities (since all 18 or 19 of them are a minority).

[Mahmoum]

Originally Posted by J_Raad1450

In Zahle:
In Koura:

الكورة كان الصوت السني صاحب الكلمة الفصل، ففي هذه الدائرة التي يغلب عليها اللون الارثوذكسي في عديد الطوائف، تمكنت قوى المعارضة من الحفاظ على موقعها المتقدم لدى أبناء هذه الطائفة، حيث نالت لائحتها الثلاثية أكثر من 60% من أصوات المقترعين الأرثوذكس، فيما كان هناك شبه توازن بين اللائحتين المتنافستين لدى المقترعين الموارنة مع أرجحية لصالح قوى الرابع عشر من آذار، في حين أن المقترع السنّي تكفل بحسم المعركة لصالح الجهة التي وقف إلى جانبها حيث سجلت صناديق الاقتراع وفق القراءة الأولية لماكينات المعارضة، مشاركة أكثر من 4000 مقترع سني في الاستحقاق، 3400 منهم صوتوا لصالح قوى الرابع عشر من آذار مقابل 600 صوت لصالح قوى المعارضة، علماً بأن لوائح شطب الدائرة لا تضم أكثر من 7000 ناخب من الطائفة السنية. وفي الأرقام الأولية تبيّن أن الفارق بين آخر الفائزين (فريد مكاري) وأول الخاسرين (أصوات جورج عطالله وفايز غصن متقاربة جداً) لا يتعدى الـ1400 صوت، علماً بأن عطالله تبوأ المركز الأول في أكثر من 24 بلدة كورانية معظم ناخبيها من الطائفة الأرثوذكسية.

I think assafir telling us more and more lies, see at the link below, the Sonna votes will not change the result if we remove them.

The difference of the last in Makari list and the first on the other list is :

1425 votes

Sunna votes are 757 for Makari list, and 246 for Opposition

[roch10452]

what are Koura results doing on Zahle page?

[Mahmoum]

Originally Posted by roch10452

what are Koura results doing on Zahle page?

It is like Sonna votes in Zahle :-)

[lebanese1]

Originally Posted by Mahmoum

I think assafir telling us more and more lies, see at the link below, the Sonna votes will not change the result if we remove them.

The difference of the last in Makari list and the first on the other list is :

1425 votes

Sunna votes are 757 for Makari list, and 246 for Opposition

Mahmoum you are falling in the same trap with all the tables.

There is a category called "moukhtalaf tawa2ef" that includes christians and Muslims.

In Koura more than 3000 sunni voted. only 1000 of them were included in the sunni category. So the remaining 2000 are in the moukhtalaf. Since the moukhtalaf are almost equal between the 2 sides, this mean that we got 2000 more christians in this category.

This same remark applies to other cazas. I hope I was clear!

[tayyar1]

Is micheal aoun having a speech 2nite ?

[Mahmoum]

The story of na2el el votes is not logic at all if we look at the table below and if we consider the fact that 85 of sunnite votes for FM and at least 10 flies transported people to Zahle.

Based on the table below (مركز بيروت للابحاث والمعلومات)

• 03317 Sunna votes for Skaff and 22951 for Fattouch
• 13988 Shea votes for Skaff and 00690 for Fattouch

You said about 20 000 votes had been moved to Zahlee, let's agree on that, so Fattoush will not have than 2951 (22951 -2000) Sunnite Zahlee votes & 3317 votes for SKAFF? Impossible. Why? Because Sunna of Bekaa voted with at least 85% for 14 March

In the best case, SKAFF will have 15% of sunnite votes, and based on the table, 3317 votes, which means there were 22113 Sunna votes in total (X = 3317*100/15 = 22113)

So, Fattouch with 85% will have 18796.

But Fattoush has 22951, so from where the difference of 4154? Simple, the CHARTER FLIES :-)

Moreover, if we look at the Shea votes, so better for Skaff to don't open the topic again :-)

If this is not correct, so the only explication is that FM asked 15% of moved sonna to vote for SKAFF to hide the fact that Sunna votes are not from Zahlee, which seems for me a story very baykha :-)

So, Skaff is a loser, even with an extra of 13298 Shea votes

[Mahmoum]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

Mahmoum you are falling in the same trap with all the tables.

There is a category called "moukhtalaf tawa2ef" that includes christians and Muslims.

In Koura more than 3000 sunni voted. only 1000 of them were included in the sunni category. So the remaining 2000 are in the moukhtalaf. Since the moukhtalaf are almost equal between the 2 sides, this mean that we got 2000 more christians in this category.

This same remark applies to other cazas. I hope I was clear!

I disagree

Mokhtalaf el Tawa2ef doens't mean Sunna at all. They can bee Ismailiyin, Baha2iyin, etc.

And I have a question here, why mokhtalaf tawa2ef are majority of Sunnite and not of Sheete or Maraunite or Sirian or Arminian, etc.r?

The most important remark is that you are a loser in the Maraunite (3-0) and Orthodox (2-1) streets in Koura. So what is the reason you will win in mokhtaled mase7e?

[Ataraxia]

Originally Posted by Mahmoum

The story of na2el el votes is not logic at all if we look at the table below and if we consider the fact that 85 of sunnite votes for FM and at least 10 flies transported people to Zahle.

Based on the table below (مركز بيروت للابحاث والمعلومات)

• 03317 Sunna votes for Skaff and 22951 for Fattouch
• 13988 Shea votes for Skaff and 00690 for Fattouch

You said about 20 000 votes had been moved to Zahlee, let's agree on that, so Fattoush will not have than 2951 (22951 -2000) Sunnite Zahlee votes & 3317 votes for SKAFF? Impossible. Why? Because Sunna of Bekaa voted with at least 85% for 14 March

In the best case, SKAFF will have 15% of sunnite votes, and based on the table, 3317 votes, which means there were 22113 Sunna votes in total (X = 3317*100/15 = 22113)

So, Fattouch with 85% will have 18796.

But Fattoush has 22951, so from where the difference of 4154? Simple, the CHARTER FLIES :-)

Moreover, if we look at the Shea votes, so better for Skaff to don't open the topic again :-)

If this is not correct, so the only explication is that FM asked 15% of moved sonna to vote for SKAFF to hide the fact that Sunna votes are not from Zahlee, which seems for me a story very baykha :-)

So, Skaff is a loser, even with an extra of 13298 Shea votes

Can you then explain how were there 148,000 expected registered voters. And it turned to be 158,000 registered voters ?

[lebanese1]

Originally Posted by Mahmoum

I disagree

Mokhtalaf el Tawa2ef doens't mean Sunna at all. They can bee Ismailiyin, Baha2iyin, etc.

And I have a question here, why mokhtalaf tawa2ef are majority of Sunnite and not of Sheete or Maraunite or Sirian or Arminian, etc.r?

It seems you completely misunderstood me.

I didn't say moukhtalaf means sunni. Moukhtalaf means mixed boxes: Christians, Muslims etc.

Since there is 2000 sunni votes missing from the sunni category, they are definitely counted in the moukhtalaf!