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I don't have the numbers anymore, but I am pretty sure that the chia vote 7000+ for them and 5000+ for skaff (that was on tayyar.org election website). Are you sure about the 28500 suni votes this time? please can you provide me with the website you got these numbers from. I need to do my analysis. Still I am pretty sure we lost the christian votes that would have tipped the balance.
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Lebanon Elections 2009 - tayyar.org

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Are you guys seriously still in this circle of BS argumentation that drastically killed your movement throughout the past 4 years?!!!

ffffffffff... typical!
First of all, relax and calm down.

Second of all, do you really think that one should not actually analyze every single aspect including numbers? Criticism and things that went wrong are analyzed in a different thread, so if you want to vent there, you could.
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Youshka.. where did you get the total number of Sunnis who voted in Zahleh?? I didn't see this "28500 votes" anywhere?? surely Tayyar.org doesn't break them by sect!!
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I know it from the electoral machines (walaw ask your LF machine) and it was mentioned by all analysts who talked about Zahle.
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Thank you. As you see the chiites gave fattouch almost 2000 votes more than skeff list in 2005. I made a mistake by saying 5000 for skeff and 7000 fattooch. Still it will give you almost the same calculation, especially that the chiites also added this time and gave skeff list a high %. 20500 Sunnis voted last time. So let's say 26500 voted this time (there is no link to check that) You will see that the chiite voting in 2009 will nullify the sunni addition in votes. In addition, the difference between the 2 lists in 2005 was almost 6000 votes for skaff. Make your calculations now and you will find how much the christians voting declined this time for skaff list (in 2005 was 75% average).
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1-Second of all, no it is not legal to do transfers that aim at changing the demographics of the country, like that without any valid reason. What is the reason for Fatfat to transfer thousands of Sunni from other areas to Zahle? I am not talking about the people who naturally transfer due to marriage.

2-And no they can't transfer to Batroun, Koura, Achrafieh.... because as you saw, the difference in those districts between the winner and loser is barely few thousands votes. So if you just grab few thousands of Sunni and spread them on these areas, the Sunni votes will ALWAYS be the ones that tip the balance if not choose the MPs and this is unacceptable (unless you want to get rid of the 50-50 MPs between Christians and Muslims).
1- unfortunatly, it is legal, nothing in the constitution against it.
It will be even more legal when FPM put in place it's secular state, you can make the state/laws secular, but you wont be able to change how people thinks (sunis, shias, druze, maronites...). Pure utopia
So instead of working to get a secular state, FPM, and every other christian polititian should work toward putting in the constitutions safegards like this.

2-That is my point
and that is what will happen in 10-30-50 year, by sunni, or by shia, unless we have one of the 3 safegards i mention
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All i know is one thing.

Zahle's elections will never be the same again.
whether the christians voted against or with us. that's not the issue the issue is that we have 27 000 sunnis who came from nowhere. andthis will affect negatively on the chritian dicision in 2013.
zahle was one of the few districts that was free and now its not.

from 2005 till he left his office Ahmad fatfat did his job very well. (with a christian coverage). these christians will regret but when it will be too late.

thats why in the next governement we should ask and fight for a neutral Interior minister because we (AND ALL CHRISTIANS) should not trust Hariri in this issue anymore.
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مسؤول بماكينة الطاشناق للأخبار: الحزب أدى واجبه ولا يمكن أحد أن ينكر ذلك

بعد عمل يومي لأكثر من ثلاثة أشهر،أكد أحد المسؤولين عن الماكينة الانتخابية لحزب الطاشناق أن الحزب أدى واجبه «ولا يمكن أحداً أن ينكر ذلك». يرفض المسؤول اتّهام الماكينة الأرمنية بالتقصير، في إشارة إلى أنّ بعض الحلفاء لمّحوا إلى هذا الأمر.

في قراءته للنتائج، يشدّد المسؤول على أنّ الطاشناق في المتن الشمالي وجّه 10 آلاف و500 صوت إلى لائحة التغيير والإصلاح، فيما كان المجموع العام للمقترعين الأرمن 13300 مقترع. ويلفتإلى أنه في بيروت الأولى شارك 6800 مقترع أرمني، «أكثر من 5000 منهم صبّوا للائحة المعارضة». وفي الحديث عن الأرقام أيضاً، يلفت إلى أنّ نسبة المقترعين الأرمن في زحلة هي 3200 يمثّل جمهور الطاشناق 2250 منهم.

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So in Metn: around 80% voted for Tashnag--> 10500 out of 13300
In Beirut I: around 75 % voted for Tashnag --> 5000 out of 6800
In Zahle: around 70% voted for Tashnag --> 2250 out of 3200

In Total: around 77% of the Armenians are with Tashnag Party...


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Rayiss Elias Skaff live on OTV !
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Skaff has 27 MP's in the parliament.
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Skaff has 27 MP's in the parliament.
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