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You measure the fact that you won something in the elections by counting the progress in terms of number of MP's (2005-2009). OK, lets stick with that idea...
GMA's FPM have 18 MP's and the block has 26 Christian MP's... Out of 64 Christian MP's, thats 28% for FPM and 40% for its block.

If you measure success in number of MP's, then you should be consistant.

M14 has majority Christians and absulute majority. Fact!
Haha that's so funny, you take the easy route to claim victory, we can't use the number of MP's as the base, because there are over 20% of christian MP's elected by sunni's and druz while there's only 3% of them elected by shiites, so spare me your analysis and come up with something more logical
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we are the winners. you are the losers. goodbye.
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we are the winners. you are the losers. goodbye.
very deep analysis man...wil sama zar2a....
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we are the winners. you are the losers. goodbye.
:) all I can say is 6-1 = 5 = ouwet wahahahaha
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Haha that's so funny, you take the easy route to claim victory, we can't use the number of MP's as the base, because there are over 20% of christian MP's elected by sunni's and druz while there's only 3% of them elected by shiites, so spare me your analysis and come up with something more logical
I'm claiming victory in the “route” that you choose to claim victory: "Number of MP's from 2005 to 2009". If you discredit the usage of number of MP's as being an indicator of success, then FPM has no success. That's my point.

With the present election law, Christians will never be able to get all 64 MP's, and will always need alliances to get the most that they can. You chose the Shia and Armenians. More pluralist (moderate) Christians chose Sunni and Druze. You ended up with 27 Christian MP's in your block, while M14 had the rest (Majority).

The law is flawed to such imbalance, but as you know, it was the best law we could have right now, and we should work together to get a better one in the future.

We know that the FPM block is not the sole or even majority representative of Christians by fact. Just as M14 Christians required Sunni and Druze votes, we see that FPM needed Shia votes (Baabda, Jbeil and a few MP's here and there).
Jezzine, you got without alliance, Metn you got with mass Armenian voting (Yes they are Christian, but they are also supposed to be neutral or on president's side. Also they have their special case in needing to ensure their representation in Lebanon, and rightfully so. So lets not get into a debate about them being Christian or not, because they are maybe more Christian than most Lebanese, but in the political sense, perhaps they are not as conventionally christian as the maronite)
I dont see where else you won with landslide or significant majority without alliance. Keserwen was a thousand votes difference, with the few shia and armenians helping with that.

If we are to finger point about representation, we would find that Christians relied on non-Christian votes. That’s called politics and its within the election law rules.

You can look to Batroun to be an example of clear Christian victory if you like though. Beirut 1 is a good case too... (We'll exclude Frangieh's tight Zgharta win and Ouwet's huge Bechare win from that analysis)...
As for Zahle, Sunni’s there are 6k more than Shia and Armenians (and the Shia and Armenians voted in greater number than Sunni), yet the difference between M14 and C&R was over 6k… We are not afraid to look at the details, but there really is no need to justify the final result. Majority Christians and absolute majority goes to M14. Next step is building a country. You’re supposed to say, mabrouk, now lets get on with it... Obstruction is rejected. Progress is demanded. Change and reform is needed indeed, so lets not stand in its way.

FPM is grabbing at straws if it thinks it won anything. I respectfully ask you to look back at your gut feeling when the results came out and compare the actual results with the expected 40 and then 35MP "minimum" prediction of Aoun's block.
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I'm claiming victory in the “route” that you choose to claim victory: "Number of MP's from 2005 to 2009". If you discredit the usage of number of MP's as being an indicator of success, then FPM has no success. That's my point.

With the present election law, Christians will never be able to get all 64 MP's, and will always need alliances to get the most that they can. You chose the Shia and Armenians. More pluralist (moderate) Christians chose Sunni and Druze. You ended up with 27 Christian MP's in your block, while M14 had the rest (Majority).

The law is flawed to such imbalance, but as you know, it was the best law we could have right now, and we should work together to get a better one in the future.

We know that the FPM block is not the sole or even majority representative of Christians by fact. Just as M14 Christians required Sunni and Druze votes, we see that FPM needed Shia votes (Baabda, Jbeil and a few MP's here and there).
Jezzine, you got without alliance, Metn you got with mass Armenian voting (Yes they are Christian, but they are also supposed to be neutral or on president's side. Also they have their special case in needing to ensure their representation in Lebanon, and rightfully so. So lets not get into a debate about them being Christian or not, because they are maybe more Christian than most Lebanese, but in the political sense, perhaps they are not as conventionally christian as the maronite)
I dont see where else you won with landslide or significant majority without alliance. Keserwen was a thousand votes difference, with the few shia and armenians helping with that.

If we are to finger point about representation, we would find that Christians relied on non-Christian votes. That’s called politics and its within the election law rules.

You can look to Batroun to be an example of clear Christian victory if you like though. Beirut 1 is a good case too... (We'll exclude Frangieh's tight Zgharta win and Ouwet's huge Bechare win from that analysis)...
As for Zahle, Sunni’s there are 6k more than Shia and Armenians (and the Shia and Armenians voted in greater number than Sunni), yet the difference between M14 and C&R was over 6k… We are not afraid to look at the details, but there really is no need to justify the final result. Majority Christians and absolute majority goes to M14. Next step is building a country. You’re supposed to say, mabrouk, now lets get on with it... Obstruction is rejected. Progress is demanded. Change and reform is needed indeed, so lets not stand in its way.

FPM is grabbing at straws if it thinks it won anything. I respectfully ask you to look back at your gut feeling when the results came out and compare the actual results with the expected 40 and then 35MP "minimum" prediction of Aoun's block.
As far as I know Armenians are christians or do you want also to deny it after your leaders denied them of being Lebanese?
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As far as I know Armenians are christians or do you want also to deny it after your leaders denied them of being Lebanese?
This is not the main point and I already clarified it...
"Yes they are Christian, but they are also supposed to be neutral or on president's side. Also they have their special case in needing to ensure their representation in Lebanon, and rightfully so. So lets not get into a debate about them being Christian or not, because they are maybe more Christian than most Lebanese, but in the political sense, perhaps they are not as conventionally christian as the maronite"

Armenian politics has its own flavor, and it has a right to exist, and Im very pro Armenian, but their political path is still clearly one that best progresses them (which is fine and normal)... Its a shame that FPM were not able to be good partners for Tashnaq though. Non-Tashnaq seem to represent more than Tashnaq now (if we again use the logic of number of MP's!) :)
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we are the winners. you are the losers. goodbye.
Yup since, you will be "winning" more and more debts.Mabrouk :)
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