Will we go back to Lebanon?

[007returns]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Will we go back to Lebanon?

Every night I dream... Dream of my family, dream of my friends, dream of my home... Dream of Lebanon...

Every night I feel the pain of being away... away from the beloved ones...

Every night I feel like I want to curse the situation that let me take the decision to leave everything behind...

I had to be Armenian for me to be away from my homeland... And i had to be Lebanese to be away from my country... is it fair?

I miss my family, I miss my mom, dad, sisters, I miss my friends, I miss all the beach and mountains, I miss going downtown... for sure I miss Lebanon...

I left Lebanon on a very tragic day... A black day for all Lebanese and Armenians... I left my house 5 minutes after Amin Jemayel's famous insult to the Armenians...

Before hearing what I heard I was crying... but after I heard it I was smiling, that I will leave all of that behind and go after my future...

Now I am in one of the best countries on this World... But do I want to go back?

I think about it everyday, every minute... Should I leave all of this work, and safety, and laws, and social benefits, and and and... to go back to My beloved country Lebanon?

Do I want my kids to grow up in a place where we don't have 24/24 electricity? Do I want them to be traumatized from airplane noise? Do I want them to see war every 5 years? Do I want them to be victim of some assassination? Do I want them to barely find work? Also Do I want them to live away from Lebanon?

Or I want them to be in a safe country with all the facilities?

Do I want to go back? Will the change on June 7 change my mind too?

Will you go back? Will we go back?

Thank you!!

I have read all the posts here till page 4. I had alot feelings go through me and i'll summarize my feelings and observations. Alot of people wrote out anger and dispair at the current situation in lebanon, many out passion and love , others just brushing on the subject.


I live in australia but this is my final 2 months , i bought my ticket back home.
I did not make alot of money ,nothing more then someone who has a good job in lebanon. But i came to a realisation that i am sacrificing being away from a country i love from my family and friends for the sake of a few dollars that will not buy me happiness. I will waist the best years of my life away from them for the sake of getting ahead as we say, having some security but then you want the holiday in europe as someone said and the lavish lifestyle.


We are responsible to what became of lebanon.....we have to stand up and be responsible for a change. Stop the blame game and the dirty politicians . Thats what 7th of june is for. And yes we have alot work to undo all the **** that was forced on this country for years but we have to face it if we are to make it better. We will rise from the ashes just like pheonix. History tells us our country have been distroyed seven times but in the 70's we used to be known as paris of the east.

I want a chance to change to hold my head high amongst all the nationalities of the world and say. I fix it , i fixed this country. I now manufacture cars and airplanes, i produce the best wine and export the fruit...etc.....

And no one will stand in my way, not matar rafic harriri el douwali or harriri himself..

Wadih el safi says.....in toul3et el sakhra bwejak thanha wou likmet el 3omr bi idak 3jinha wou 3ti l ard wla tmaninha....... so hariri and co don't stand a chance...

So i am coming back because i want to LIVE POOR BUT WITHOUT CORRUPTION SO MY KIDS DON'T HAVE TO EMMIGRATE LIKE ME TO AUSTRALIA OR CANADA OR KHALEIJ FOR A BETTER CHANCE OR TO GET RICH,, I AM COMING BACK TO FIX IT SO THEY HAVE A BETTER CHANCE IN LEBANON......

wa iza arad el sha3bou yaman el hayat fala boudda an yastajibou el kadar...

Many have emigrated and returned and many will and return. Once you are born in lebanon you are a lebanese above anything else.

[elador]

everytime i go to lebanon i feel im in heaven. i enjoy it as the best place on earth. but when i think about it i realize i might be feeling this way because i am on holidays and i wonder if i would feel the same if i was living and working there...

for ex. when you are on holiday and you drive a rented car you would laugh at the roads condition and make jokes of it but if you are driving your own car that you bought from your lousy salary i'm sure you would feel different..

during my holidays, i meet many friends who wish to go out of lebanon and work somewhere else and i in return try to convince them not to do so and open there eyes on the things they will be missing if they leave their home and how hard it will be for them to return..

[ostwind]

Originally Posted by Anny

Oh common, the problem is all of us, we should try to solve the issue not encouraging those people who are still making problems in Lebanon just because they have money to buy us right?

You are not a big fan of change arent you but I am. I belive in change. Its like environement, if you think those problems are created by others who is making pollution while you are not ameliorating the situation, you will never positivly change something.

I will my personal effort to change the country, not just during the voting day but everyday. You can not just blame everyone else while you are not trying to change the conditions yourself.

I am not changing because i know that my future is not here. Btw I am not being bought nor sold and i do not care about politics anyway. All i care about is to have a good country with minimum requirements to live comfortably. I just hope this country changes I would not be sad but I know that I will not do anything neither to help nor to destroy this country.

[Anny]

Originally Posted by ostwind

I am not changing because i know that my future is not here. Btw I am not being bought nor sold and i do not care about politics anyway. All i care about is to have a good country with minimum requirements to live comfortably. I just hope this country changes I would not be sad but I know that I will not do anything neither to help nor to destroy this country.

Why would they care for you personnaly if you dont care to make efforts yourself?

I am not talking about politics, I am talking about the nature law of earth, wish is if you do efforts, you will get results, if you stay in your coach and hope for change while you are still siting at your coach , nothing will change or it can be worth just because you are not caring. I am not saying go fight wars or kill people to make things better but at least if you are not trying, dont blame others on your misery.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

what Change re u talking about can you please tell me what FPM is promising us?

will FPM change the fact that we have militias/gangs armed everywhere?
will FPM change the fact that there will be another Israeli Iranian war on the Lebanese soil?
will FPM change the fact that we have extremest sunnist?
will FPM change the fact that our country is secterian?

you talk about a clean government my question is how?
can you refuse Berrih or can you refuse Hariri? lets say you will refuse Hariri but will your allies like Hezbollah do that? what clean government are you talking about most of your allies always used to be in the government with Rafi2 Hariri so what real change re you talking about?

time to wakeup!

i will go back to Lebanon when i have enough money to be able to live a good life... i will not put my hopes on a sectarian party to win the election and change this country...

Lebanon is wars Lebanon is sectarian Lebanon is gangs/militias Lebanon is corrupted and Lebanon will remain so this is a fact you want to go back to this country you have to accept those facts

LubnanALkawi, we both know very well that for nearly 20 years now, we had almost the same people in government, Hariri, Jounblatt, Birri and the rest. What did they bring us other than debts, corruption and forced immigration?

FPM never had its way to show really how a clean government looks like. The closest example we have to that is maybe what Jubran Bassil is trying hardly to achieve in a ministry where corruption is nesting there since years.

Why can't you give FPM a chance for change and reform? Why judge their intentions instead of giving them a chance for action and then real judgement upon it? What is your alternative?

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by ostwind

I agree with LubnanALkawi.

In addition to all that we don't have here any university that teaches game programming so I face a hard decision. Should i follow my future, my dream and travel and face the danger that I won't be back or should I stay with my family here. After 4 years of study will we have a gaming industry here with companies dedicated to game development... Will I find work here in my major with good $$. What I can tell to all Lebanese living out there is that growth and prosperity is something we wont even smell but family and good people is what we have here. Which is better I don't know but I know I will leave this country because there is nothing here!!

You will leave Lebanon as a young man searching for a bright career and lots of money not caring about any family, any friends or anybody.
Once you achieve your goal of a bright career and lots of money, you start wishing if you can trade them all for the family and friends you have in Lebanon.

That is life my dear, it happened to all of us before you.

[ostwind]

Originally Posted by Anny

Why would they care for you personnaly if you dont care to make efforts yourself?

I am not talking about politics, I am talking about the nature law of earth, wish is if you do efforts, you will get results, if you stay in your coach and hope for change while you are still siting at your coach , nothing will change or it can be worth just because you are not caring. I am not saying go fight wars or kill people to make things better but at least if you are not trying, dont blame others on your misery.

If you convince me that a change could happen I would like to change but according to previous generations and past experiences its not worth it to even try to change because even after 10 years i guarantee that people would be still fighting about fpm and lebanese forces, hizb-allah w harriri, people will still throw garbage from windows...Its just Lebanese people with no rules to stop them.

[Anny]

Originally Posted by ostwind

If you convince me that a change could happen I would like to change but according to previous generations and past experiences its not worth it to even try to change because even after 10 years i guarantee that people would be still fighting about fpm and lebanese forces, hizb-allah w harriri, people will still throw garbage from windows...Its just Lebanese people with no rules to stop them.

And are you doing something to change that and make them accept each others wiith all those differences they have?

[ostwind]

Originally Posted by Anny

And are you doing something to change that and make them accept each others wiith all those differences they have?

to be honest i tried but once someone likes General Aoun he likes him even if he does something wrong and when someone likes geagea they like him even if he killed lots of people and did so many wrong things. I try to tell them about the wrongs that both have but they deny it. So that is why i gave up. Tell me you guys how have u contributed to that maybe I can have any idea so that I can help .

[Anny]

Originally Posted by ostwind

to be honest i tried but once someone likes General Aoun he likes him even if he does something wrong and when someone likes geagea they like him even if he killed lots of people and did so many wrong things. I try to tell them about the wrongs that both have but they deny it. So that is why i gave up. Tell me you guys how have u contributed to that maybe I can have any idea so that I can help .

People make mistakes but you have to know how to compare a criminal and a thief to a clean person.

And I am not mentioning politics, but your daily life, you can start with yourselves, with your kids one day to teach them what you always wanted every other citizen to do instead of just complaining. If you always end up complaining while you are not doing anything to improve, you will always stay where you are. Its your decision but that is not mine. I chose to resist society, to resist what other people do that I find wrong and try to give them my opinion, sometimes, I get a closed door on my face but some other times, they seem to change for the best. Each person you meet is different, you have to try being more convincing, you can not just blame the present situation when you do know what you can do to change.

I am not talking about voting, I am thinking barking for your rights. Yelling at people, not just make them yell at you. I am sorry I am like that, I am conviced that people can change. If you decide to make them follow rules, you have to make them pay money when they dont follow them. Only money make them following your rules.

Per example, the circulation, if some kid goes on 200 km, there will be a ticket he will have to pay if a cop caught him.

Another example, every time you feel that some people are judging you because of your sect or your background and dont want you to have a certain thing like lets say hospitalise in a place where your religion is a minority, yell at them , make a super big scene, dont care what they think, get to your point, bitch at them loudly, but maybe I am different then you because I am not scared to bitch and yell, maybe you really care about people's protocole, while I dont, I care more about my human rights.