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Originally Posted by Abou J The key in all this is that WJ is politically disposable from an HA perspective. From an elections point of view, its even more gloomy, HA and WJ electoral interests used to intersect in Baabda-Aley....well, not anymore.
The only way out for WJ is an indirect rapproachment to HA via FPM i.e. a couple of FPM MPs in Chouf and Aley. Mario Aoun being a minister from Chouf is a very blunt message to WJ. WJ's negative tone towards LF and specifically George Adwan is another.
Its a given fact the WJ has been on the winning side since 1975. Ethics and loyalty aside, he is the fox of lebanese politics. There is no doubt in my mind that he will be on the next winning boat too, whoever that may be. | I think the price is going to be more than a couple of MPs.
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Actually I wouldn't mind allying with Joumblatt, just on the condition that this time we decide how many seats he gets!  | | | | | The Following User Says Thank You to GMA forever For This Useful Post: | | | Registered Member
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Anybody has the speech made by Mohammad Fneich today in which he praised his "shared history" with Jumblatt.
Not so long ago, Jumblatt wanted to take rockets and throw them at Dahieh, and Hassan Nasrallah wanted to chop Jumblatt's hand off.
As for the displaced returning to the mountains, if HA reconciles with Jumblatt without resolving that issue, then it will be the biggest ever slap in the face to FPM.
I personally doubt Jumblatt will allow a return of the Christians because it will mean the end of his little kingdom. | | | | | Registered Member
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Originally Posted by Commodore Anybody has the speech made by Mohammad Fneich today in which he praised his "shared history" with Jumblatt.
Not so long ago, Jumblatt wanted to take rockets and throw them at Dahieh, and Hassan Nasrallah wanted to chop Jumblatt's hand off.
As for the displaced returning to the mountains, if HA reconciles with Jumblatt without resolving that issue, then it will be the biggest ever slap in the face to FPM.
I personally doubt Jumblatt will allow a return of the Christians because it will mean the end of his little kingdom. | LOL everytime you try to analyze something your subconscious works on turning the analysis towards your biggest inner fantasy, isolating FPM | | | | | The Following User Says Thank You to Danny Z For This Useful Post: | | | Registered Member
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Originally Posted by Danny Z LOL everytime you try to analyze something your subconscious works on turning the analysis towards your biggest inner fantasy, isolating FPM | I wasn't analyzing anything. That's what FPM'ers here say, that the issue of HA reconciling with Jumblatt is tied to the issue of the Christians returning to the mountains. | | | | | Registered Member
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Jumblatt isn't different from all the other sectarian players in Lebanon (which is pretty much everyone). They all play the game to 'supposedly' safeguard their sect. However, it isn't the sect they're safeguarding, it's their own personal power and prestige within their communities.
Many are right in stating that Jumblatt is the undisputed leader of the Druze. His interest isn't necessarily in the best interests of the Druze community. He wants to remain the undisputed leader of the Druze, at any cost, even at the cost of his own community.
It is in the best interest of the Druze, as well as all sects in Lebanon, to breakdown the sectarian barriers and unite on a national level with a national approach and focus. It is in everyone's interest to fuse the various sectarian identities into a single national identity that will produce a national system with a human rights clause.
All sectarian leaders, including Jumblatt, successfully drum up the fear card within their own communities in order to justify their leadership. But the best way to safeguard the rights of all religious communities in Lebanon is to produce a national secular system that will treat everyone as equal citizens and recognise each individuals' human rights.
Jumblatt knows this, Geagea knows this, Hariri knows this. But it isn't in their interests to produce a national system, because it will diminish their roles as sectarian leaders. They only survive as tribal leaders because they succeed in frightening their respective communities into submission.
I propose that Jumblatt be accepted into the Opposition fold on one condition that must be signed in an MOU... that he fully support the creation of a national secular system and a national constitution. This is the line Hizballah and the FPM have agreed upon, and this is the line that must be endorsed.
I will oppose any "alliance" with any party that doesn't fully endorse secularism, no preconditions.
Of course, channels can be open, discussions and dialogues can take place, which will improve the overall stability in the country, but I recommend we exercise caution in any talk of a MoU with either Jumblatt, Hariri or Geagea. | | | | | Registered Member
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I propose that Jumblatt be accepted into the Opposition fold on one condition that must be signed in an MOU... that he fully support the creation of a national secular system and a national constitution. This is the line Hizballah and the FPM have agreed upon, and this is the line that must be endorsed.
I will oppose any "alliance" with any party that doesn't fully endorse secularism, no preconditions.
| I dont really think HA is into "Secularism". | | | | | Orange Room Supporter
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ترجيح لقاءات بين نصرالله وجنبلاط والحريري
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نقلت صحيفة الديار عن مصادر مطلعة قولها أن الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصرالله فتح المجال أكثر أمام حصول لقاءات ثنائية سواء مع رئيس "اللقاء الديمقراطي" النائب وليد جنبلاط أو مع رئيس كتلة "المستقبل" النائب سعد الحريري.
وأوضحت المصادر أنه من المرجح حصول هذا الأمر بعد الانتهاء من وضع اللجنة الوزارية مسودة البيان الوزاري وبالتالي نيل الحكومة الثقة على أساس هذا البيان.
وأشارت المصادر إلى الدردشة الجانبية التي حصلت بين وزير العمل محمد فنيش والنائب جنبلاط وما يمكن أن يعنيه ذلك من اتجاه نحو فتح صفحة جديدة من العلاقات التي مرت بفترة متوترة جداً إلى درجة المقاطعة. www.elmarada.com | | | | | Registered Member
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لن نعود الى التحالف الرباعي وما حصل في عبيه ليس إلا إستقبالاً للقنطار.فنيش لـtayyar.org: كلام علوش تفاهات وحلفاؤنا الأساسيون هم من تفاهمنا معهم مارون ناصيف - أوضح عضو كتلة الوفاء للمقاومة الوزير محمد فنيش أن ما حصل أمس في عبيه ليس إلا إحتفالاً بعودة الأسير المحرر سمير القنطار الى الجبل وأن كل حديث عن إعادة إحياء للتحالف الرباعي لا يمت الى الحقيقة بصلة. وقال: "لم نكن إطلاقاً في صدد البحث في تحالفات إنتخابية، فحلفاؤنا الذين تفاهمنا معهم هم حلفاؤنا الأساسيون، وبالتالي أؤكد أننا لن نعود الى مثل تلك التحالفات التي تؤدي الى إبعاد من هم حلفاؤنا بشكل أساسي". فنيش وفي حديث لموقعنا قال ورداً على سؤال عن كلام النائب مصطفى علوش الذي رأى أن سلام الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصرالله هو للإستهلاك الداخلي فقط " أنا أربأ بنفسي عن الدخول في سجال من هذا النوع ولست معنياً في الرد على ما يصدر عنه من تفاهات. كيف قرأتم كلمة النائب وليد جنبلاط في إحتفال عبيه؟ لقد تضمنت كلمة جنبلاط مضاميناً إيجابية ومقاربةً سبق أن سمعناها من النائب جنبلاط حيال العلاقة بين المقاومة والدولة وتأكيده على أن لا تناقض بين الدولة والمقاومة وبين المقاومة والحرية وكذلك السيادة. تزامناً معه الغزل الجنبلاطي للمقاومة في عبيه إعتبر عضو كتلة المستقبل النائب مصطفى علوش أن سلاح حزب الله هو سلاح إيراني والحزب يشكّل فيلقاً من الحرس الثوري الايراني. فما هو ردّكم؟ هذا الكلام هو جزء من خطاب سئم اللبنانيون من سماعه وتكراره وهو تعبير عمّا يكمن في نفس من يطلقه من توترات لا صلة لها لا في الحقيقة ولا في الواقع وأظن أن لولا المقاومة وسلاحها لما شهدنا عودة للأسرى من السجون الإسرائيلية. وإذا كان المقصود من هذا الكلام الإساءة الى هذا المشهد فهذا الكلام يسيئ الى صاحبه وليس الى الذين حققوا هذا الإنجاز. ستصح قراءة الكثيرين الذين رأوا في وقوفكم الى جانب النائب جنبلاط في عبيه تحالفاً رباعياً جديداً؟ هذه تفسيرات لا تمت الى الواقع والحقيقة بصلة وما حصل هو إحتفال بعودة الأسير المحرر سمير القنطار الى الجبل أكّد خلاله كل فريق على مضامين مواقفه، ولم نكن إطلاقاً في صدد البحث في تحالفات إنتخابية، فحلفاؤنا الذين تفاهمنا معهم هم حلفاؤنا الأساسيون، وبالتالي أؤكد أننا لن نعود الى مثل تلك التحالفات التي تؤدي الى إبعاد من هم حلفاؤنا بشكل أساسي. يشكك البعض بكلامكم الإيجابي عن الإستراتيجية الدفاعية. فهل هذا الشكّ في محله؟ لا أريد الردّ على المنزعجين من إنجازات المقاومة. | | | | | Orange Room Supporter
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وهاب دعا جنبلاط الى النزول من مركب الرئيس البوش الذي شارف الغرق والالتحاق بركاب فريق الممانعة
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