Will HA/Amal give the head of general security for christians?

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by †.)

yes they should it would be a great move to make geagea and the other Christians shut up!!!

It would shut up Gaagaa if FPM dosent shift its principles from secularizing the country to sectarianizing it .. !

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by Zouxi

Greetings,

Do you think that HA/Amal should give the head of general security position for a christian officer (especially grec-catholic), after it was for decades for a christian officer, and was taken by jamil el sayyed in the syrian era ??

If HA/Amal do so, they will prove that they are really for partnership, add that it will be a good point scored for FPM in the christian street.

Thanks.

I think this post is very contradictory in many ways.

First: If your intentions are to get back the rights of the Christians, you are going the wrong way my friend, since appointing a christian officer at the head of general security brings nothing for the Christians. We saw how Syria before, and the loyalists now fooled the Christians many times by appointing a so called Christian at a top post, but in reality making him work against the Christians.

Second: If your intentions are to polish HA/Amal in the Christian street, well after what HA and Amal did for the Christians in Doha by backing up 100% the only true representatives of the Christians on the dialogue table, I don't think a post here or another one there is of any significance anymore.

Third: If your intentions are to make FPM score a good point on the Christian street, well FPM prooved since 20 years now their path and their politics to all Lebanese in all their confessions, and the ones who still need to be convinced, I think nothing will ever convince them. They are either not convinced because of a certain hate towards FPM, or because they like to follow trends, and when the trend is Orange they wear Orange, and when the trend is anti Orange, they wear anti Orange.

So my dear Zouxi, HA/Amal giving the head of general security position for a christian officer won't help achieve anything, I would rather have this position given to the opposition (whatever sect) and not to a loyalist (even if he was a Christian).

[†.)]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

It would shut up Gaagaa if FPM dosent shift its principles from secularizing the country to sectarianizing it .. !

AGREE but! it's been years we're trying so and untill LONG TIME Lebanon is still UNFORTUNATLY like that and we must handle it!

we can't swim 3akes el tayyar! GEAGEA is putting lots of presure on the Christian side we can't loose votes.. elections are coming...

BATRAK + GEAGEA'S SAINT PICS + AOUN MA 3IMIL CHI BEL DAWHA STUFF! WALAW ?!! WHY CAN'T WE STRIKE BACK ?!! it's not about taking a seat from HA/AMAL .. it's about gaining a seat for CHRISTIANS from HA/AMAL for the CURRENT SITUATION

PS : WE CAN'T CHANGE LEBANON untill we get it in the GOV

[CedarLb]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

It would shut up Gaagaa if FPM dosent shift its principles from secularizing the country to sectarianizing it .. !

Having the Syrians, who oppressed the majority of the Christians, appoint a non-Christian man into a position that "belongs" to the Christians does not help secularizing the country, bel 3aks, it helps raising sectarianism, especially if the newly appointed one ma7soub on a heavily armed party that label itself "Islamic".

Secularizing the country needs many sequential and parallel steps that we can discuss.

[Kakou]

They promised before we ask!!
I once posted this interview... I repost what is related to the subject wishing to find the HA's statement about that also!!

Abbas Hachem, député de Jbeil
La direction de la SG doit revenir aux chrétiens


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Le Hezbollah donnera-t-il son accord à la restitution de certains postes destinés généralement à la communauté chrétienne?

Non seulement je le crois, mais je le certifie. Toutes les forces politiques ne parviendront pas à ignorer des demandes de Michel Aoun.

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Sur quoi vous fondez-vous pour exprimer une telle position?
Nous devons respecter les constantes suivantes: le partage du pouvoir, l’équilibre politique et la restitution des droits des chrétiens. Dans ce cadre, moi, chiite, je vous dis que la Sûreté générale doit revenir aux chrétiens. A Taëf, ils se sont entendus sur le fait que la sécurité de l’Etat soit du ressort de la communauté chiite, restituons-leur ce poste...

Vos partenaires partagent-ils les points de vue que vous avancez?
Nos partenaires nous respectent, nous estiment et s’engagent à nos côtés, parce que, eux aussi, ont été écartés du pouvoir et ont, donc, aussi besoin d’être rassurés sur le fait que leurs Page Rankingérogatives leurs seront garanties.

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Magazine, # 2613 du 7 décembre 2007

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Having the Syrians, who oppressed the majority of the Christians, appoint a non-Christian man into a position that "belongs" to the Christians does not help secularizing the country, bel 3aks, it helps raising sectarianism, especially if the newly appointed one ma7soub on a heavily armed party that label itself "Islamic".

Secularizing the country needs many sequential and parallel steps that we can discuss.

Since when it was a chritsian position ?

Speaking of Parallel , i do need to remind you that there are many positions that need to be replaced by other sects ! if you want me to get down to this level so be it.

All what i am asking for is lets keep it as Opposition vs Loyalists instead of turning the whole struggle from seeking justice to reconquesta of positions. Let the high level struggle stay a matter of principles and not sectarianism w shoo 2elak w shoo 3leik.

We have priorities as Palastenian naturlaization , corruption , security , Israel and southern borders ....etc

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by †.)

AGREE but! it's been years we're trying so and untill LONG TIME Lebanon is still UNFORTUNATLY like that and we must handle it!

we can't swim 3akes el tayyar! GEAGEA is putting lots of presure on the Christian side we can't loose votes.. elections are coming...

BATRAK + GEAGEA'S SAINT PICS + AOUN MA 3IMIL CHI BEL DAWHA STUFF! WALAW ?!! WHY CAN'T WE STRIKE BACK ?!! it's not about taking a seat from HA/AMAL .. it's about gaining a seat for CHRISTIANS from HA/AMAL for the CURRENT SITUATION

PS : WE CAN'T CHANGE LEBANON untill we get it in the GOV

Ok , you have a valid point IF and only IF you can tell me what is Gaagaa doing for his small tiny christian community ?

Gaagaa is much more pleasing the sunnis than the christians these days for election purposes.

Please can you have a list of Gaagaa Khadamat or what he has acheived since day one he was released from jail as a deal with some Salafi criminals ?

Have a list of what he is doing now and tell me what points of strengh he has ?

[CedarLb]

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Since when it was a chritsian position ?

I don't know, this is what I hear, and if what I hear is wrong, then it's the job of the ones who know to clear this misconception.

Originally Posted by mount_amel

Speaking of Parallel , i do need to remind you that there are many positions that need to be replaced by other sects ! if you want me to get down to this level so be it.

I just opened a thread "secularism, the manual (reconsidered)". It's still pending approval at this moment. I'd like to read your perspective in there.

Originally Posted by mount_amel

All what i am asking for is lets keep it as Opposition vs Loyalists instead of turning the whole struggle from seeking justice to reconquesta of positions. Let the high level struggle stay a matter of principles and not sectarianism w shoo 2elak w shoo 3leik.

We have priorities as Palastenian naturlaization , corruption , security , Israel and southern borders ....etc

Tab why would FPM bash the government for tampering with the sectarian balance in the appointments of several positions?

Doesn't it make FPM hypocrite for treating some with samneh, and others with zeit?

[Haruun]

Originally Posted by Zouxi

Greetings,

Do you think that HA/Amal should give the head of general security position for a christian officer (especially grec-catholic), after it was for decades for a christian officer, and was taken by jamil el sayyed in the syrian era ??

If HA/Amal do so, they will prove that they are really for partnership, add that it will be a good point scored for FPM in the christian street.

Thanks.

I think it’s a bit paradoxal to propose this, we live in a federation of farms so if anyone believes people are more loyal to the country before their sect they’re mistaken. I’m all about protecting Christian representation, as a non-Christian I will be the first to acknowledge Christians spearheaded the independence of this country and gave it the unique character and culture that all Lebanese pride themselves with and boast about amongst foreigners and outside of Lebanon. Shayfeen 7alna sa7?

We’re like mice in Lebanon fighting for different pieces of cheese, if you want to protect Christian representation hold the very Christians who sold their community to account. I suggest starting in Bkirki then taking a quick trip to Bikfaya, Bcharreh if it’s not too cold… In fact, inquire about the money that was paid when our dear Palestinian refugee friends made their way through our borders…

As for Hezbollah, lets be honest, some people will never be satisfied with anything they do or any gesture they offered, if they stripped themselves naked and converted to Christianity some people still wouldn’t be satisfied. Some people’s criticism is based from fear and it’s justified but not when it’s perpetuated by the Wahabi-Evangelical propaganda.

Anyone here familiar with Naharnet or FutureTV?

[mount_amel]

Originally Posted by CedarLb

Tab why would FPM bash the government for tampering with the sectarian balance in the appointments of several positions?

Doesn't it make FPM hypocrite for treating some with samneh, and others with zeit?

You all didnt get the goverment fight recently.

It is a fight of "7aqa2eb" , and from te news and politicians it seems that the loyalists and the oppositions are fighting over "7aqa2eb" and not representation. HA has tried to trade one sunni and one durzi but the loyalists disagreed since it will have some polish on HA's image in some areas.

So please get thie goverment thing right and know and we all should know that it is the first battle in the next war which is "election".