Will General Fayez Karam be a candidate?

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Bachir

Sleiman is asking for 7 deputies, and SSNP will take from your share too in marje3ioun and other cazas and they want around 6 MPs, and Baas are saying walaw tayyeb marr2ouli ketleh bi 4 aw 5 nouwweb and so on, in the end of the day mensir metelna metlon.
we will definatly support Sleiman to have a block, he can have it without Salim karam.

So,
Marada:7
SSNP:6
Baath:4-5
GMS:4-5
Tashnag:4
Total:25-27
Wow, what is left for FPM then?

Now, if Baath want any seat, they will have to take it from their allies (HA and Amal) not from FPM.
For SSNP, they will exchange a seat in Metn with one in Koura. That's it as far as the FPM-SSNP relationship is concerned.
Marada will have 2-3 candidates in Zgharta, 1 in Koura, maybe 1 in Tripoli, maybe 1 in Akkar,.
Tashnag will have 1 candidate in Metn, 1 in Zahleh, 1 in Beirut 1, 1 in Beirut 2.

So I don't see how any of those allies (SSNP and Baath are not allies), especially SF, will be taking seats away from FPM in order for the latter to demand a seat in Zgharta. As for GMS, he will be the only one who might take seats away from FPM, but the issue is still not too clear for now. We'll see how it unfolds.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Bachir

GUYS, FOR GOD SAKE, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SLEIMAN FRANGIEH'S LIST, IT IS ABOUT GEN. FAYEZ KARAM

evey party in the begining declares a big nb of candidates and in the end and after the alliences they reduce the nb.
so far for exemple FPM have 4 candidates in koura (George Atallah, Massaad Boulos, Abdallah Zakhem, Gabriel Derrek), and we will choose only one. (the whole nb of the seats is 3, 1 for SSNP, 1 for Marada and 1 for us)

Sleiman Frangieh have the right to announce 28 candidate in the north if he wants, but in the end of the day, he will have to sit down with his allies and share the seats with them.

it is not personal, it is not against Sleiman Frangieh, it is not against our allience with him. it is about a candidate called Fayez Karam, who is suppose to get your support and the support of every FPMer, all of you, until the day the "opposition" announce the final lists in Lebanon.

How do you expect to take an honorable share from the seats if you start distributing what is yours for your allies from now?

let us leave this decision to GENERAL alone,
we do not have all the facts
as for FAYEZ he has my utmost repsect and if not mp, he definitely should be a minister in the next govt.
FPM has a lot of supporters in kaza zgharta, but i doubt that they will shun the lista that SF announced
the fight is bigger than 3 seats or disagreements, the fight is an existential one and we want to win this time and win big.
so all over lebanon we might make few concessions here and there in order to have the best outcome
see what happened in keserwan, only GENERAL ran and the rest were allies not FPM
same in matn, most are allies and they proved themslves
same in zahle
i think SF can be trusted tomorrow to stick by us with his lista,
he is no mm or pg, he and his lista will be dependable.
so let us concentrate our efforts on mobilization and how to increase the vote turnout IN ORDER TO WIN.

[Venom]

General Karam is live on OTV

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by Bachir

so since you are an FPMer,
do you know that Gen. Karam was prisoned and tortured in Syria for 5 months, and his family didnt know where he was, or if he was alive or dead.
they spent the 5 months between Borivage and Tripoli looking for him.
do u know that he was exilted to france, and he couldnt attend his father and mother and brother's funeral?
do u know what was his role in the RPL in france?
he did all this for the cause I believed in and the cause that is suppose to be yours too since you say you are an FPMer, and to recompense him, we prefere to vote for Salim Karam in Zgharta, the guy who spent all his life in Cabarets (and if there is some members here from zgharta, they will definatly know what im talking about).
it is not about Sleiman, it is about our believes.
guys what happened to our dreams? what happened to our cause?

[]
FPM is big enough in Zgharta to have a candidate, and we deserve to be represented there.

The above is not accurate. Please get your facts straight. He was held in Syria with other Generals, and he is in fact a war hero. His family knew instantly where he was and even had the chance to take his medicine to him.
Again, please get the right facts.

[Bachir]

Originally Posted by Mich©

The above is not accurate. Please get your facts straight. He was held in Syria with other Generals, and he is in fact a war hero. His family knew instantly where he was and even had the chance to take his medicine to him.
Again, please get the right facts.

it seems you know the story more then GFK himself, and more then his son...
when he was captured by the syrians, they told him "you have the right to make one phone call to your family"?
his family knew later on about his destiny and his place, but after visiting all the syrian points from Anjar to Borivage to Amerkan (tripoli)...

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by Bachir

it seems you know the story more then GFK himself, and more then his son...
when he was captured by the syrians, they told him "you have the right to make one phone call to your family"?
his family knew later on about his destiny and his place, but after visiting all the syrian points from Anjar to Borivage to Amerkan (tripoli)...

Actually I know as much as he does. []

Fayez Karam has all the right to be a candidate anywhere he wants, let him go against Selim Karam and may the one with the most votes win.

Ya3neh ma nirkab sha2le 3a dahro la Sleiman Frangieh!
3milna tawlit el 7iwar, he wasn't part of it, we went to St. Clous, he wasn't even informed until we returned, we went to Doha, he wasn't there.
Meshe el 7al! Zgharta is his area, kamen we want to take it away from him!

Rou2o shouey, he has the right to do what he thinks is right. Like he backed us up all the way, we should back him up too! He may very well be the next Christian leader and he will need all the support we can give him.

[Bachir]

Originally Posted by Mich©

Actually I know as much as he does. []

Fayez Karam has all the right to be a candidate anywhere he wants, let him go against Selim Karam and may the one with the most votes win.

Ya3neh ma nirkab sha2le 3a dahro la Sleiman Frangieh!
3milna tawlit el 7iwar, he wasn't part of it, we went to St. Clous, he wasn't even informed until we returned, we went to Doha, he wasn't there.
Meshe el 7al! Zgharta is his area, kamen we want to take it away from him!

Rou2o shouey, he has the right to do what he thinks is right. Like he backed us up all the way, we should back him up too! He may very well be the next Christian leader and he will need all the support we can give him.

Reminder:
this thread is not about Frangieh's list, it is about Gen. Fayez Karam.
I really dont want to go through Sleiman Frangieh's right to do what he wants in Zgharta or not all over again, read the old posts.

GUYS, FOR GOD SAKE, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT SLEIMAN FRANGIEH'S LIST, IT IS ABOUT GEN. FAYEZ KARAM

evey party in the begining declares a big nb of candidates and in the end and after the alliences they reduce the nb.
so far for exemple FPM have 4 candidates in koura (George Atallah, Massaad Boulos, Abdallah Zakhem, Gabriel Derrek), and we will choose only one. (the whole nb of the seats is 3, 1 for SSNP, 1 for Marada and 1 for us)

Sleiman Frangieh have the right to announce 28 candidate in the north if he wants, but in the end of the day, he will have to sit down with his allies and share the seats with them.

it is not personal, it is not against Sleiman Frangieh, it is not against our allience with him. it is about a candidate called Fayez Karam, who is suppose to get your support and the support of every FPMer, all of you, until the day the "opposition" announce the final lists in Lebanon.

How do you expect to take an honorable share from the seats if you start distributing what is yours for your allies from now?

[J_Raad1450]

Let me explain something to you:

Jebran Bassil and General Karam got more votes in Zgharta then Salim Karam (SK) and Estaphan Douihy (ED). True.

Is Jubran Bassil and General karam more popular then SK or ED in Zgharta?

Answer: I doubt it.

Sleiman Franjieh got more votes then Jubran Bassil in Batroun.

Is Franjieh more popular then Jubran Bassil in Batrun?

Answer: I doubt it.

Don’t confuse things. General Karam and Jubran Bassil got more votes because all families in Zgharta voted for them as FPMers. This shows how much FPMers and GMA are respected and loved in Zgharta area. If General Karam was a candidate in Zgharta, then the situation would be much different. In other words, General Karam would not get the same number of votes.


You have to get this in your head. Zgharta is a major support area for FPMers. Specifically, Karam as a family (the largest family in Zgharta) is a major supporter of FPM. Franjieh is not interested in upsetting the Karams (as a family, mostly FPMers), if the Karam family did not want Salim Karam as their candidate.

In my opinion, you simply don’t understand the politics of Zghrata. From a historical background, Salim Karam, as the family candidate, is more important and "meaningful" to the Karam family, at this juncture, then General Karam as FPM candidate. Once the Karam family "regained their seat", then “historical physic” of the Karam family might accept Fayiz karam as their representative.

Anyway, if you know that much about Zgharta, you can tell us when the last time the Karams held a seat in Parliament and what was the historical background of the issue. Hint Hint: Wahib Geagea of Bsharri.



Please, don’t get FPM and general Karam trapped into close quarters of Zgharta politics. You are not doing General karam or FPM any favors.

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by J_Raad1450

Let me explain something to you:

Jebran Bassil and General Karam got more votes in Zgharta then Salim Karam (SK) and Estaphan Douihy (ED). True.

Is Jubran Bassil and General karam more popular then SK or ED in Zgharta?

Answer: I doubt it.

Sleiman Franjieh got more votes then Jubran Bassil in Batroun.

Is Franjieh more popular then Jubran Bassil in Batrun?

Answer: I doubt it.

Don’t confuse things. General Karam and Jubran Bassil got more votes because all families in Zgharta voted for them as FPMers. This shows how much FPMers and GMA are respected and loved in Zgharta area. If General Karam was a candidate in Zgharta, then the situation would be much different. In other words, General Karam would not get the same number of votes.


You have to get this in your head. Zgharta is a major support area for FPMers. Specifically, Karam as a family (the largest family in Zgharta) is a major supporter of FPM. Franjieh is not interested in upsetting the Karams (as a family, mostly FPMers), if the Karam family did not want Salim Karam as their candidate.

In my opinion, you simply don’t understand the politics of Zghrata. From a historical background, Salim Karam, as the family candidate, is more important and "meaningful" to the Karam family, at this juncture, then General Karam as FPM candidate. Once the Karam family "regained their seat", then “historical physic” of the Karam family might accept Fayiz karam as their representative.

Anyway, if you know that much about Zgharta, you can tell us when the last time the Karams held a seat in Parliament and what was the historical background of the issue. Hint Hint: Wahib Geagea of Bsharri.



Please, don’t get FPM and general Karam trapped into close quarters of Zgharta politics. You are not doing General karam or FPM any favors.

In your opinion, Fayez Karam shouldn't be a candidate in the 2009 elections?! neither in Zgharta or somewhere else?
This is what Bachir is trying to say. He wants to see G.Karam among the candidates.

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

In your opinion, Fayez Karam shouldn't be a candidate in the 2009 elections?! neither in Zgharta or somewhere else?
This is what Bachir is trying to say. He wants to see G.Karam among the candidates.

All what I am saying is General karam and FPM are better off, this time at least, not to take Salim Karam candidacy from the Karam family "as a family." Anyway, FPM decides General Karam candidacy in the coming election.

I believe General Karam is a great Patriot from a great family. Time is on General Karam side. Fahmik Kifaya