Will the FPM survive for the coming years ?

[MarcoPolo10452]

The problem with the FPM is that there is no particular ideology followed. Is the FPM on the right or on the left? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the FPM is made up of capatalists and socialists, former LFers and former Phalangists, former communists, etc. I think it was Sleiman Frangieh last year who said that the whole reason for the FPM's existence is opposing Samir Geagea and that when Samir Geagea no longer leads the LF, the FPM will die. Basically, the party is filled with different ideologies and is brought together by their hatred for Geagea.

That's not a party.

[Greg Davis]

The upcoming 2013 elections will be a defining point in the FPM'S future. It will be the first elections where Lebanon's lifeline 'the expats' will be able to vote for their representatives at their own terms. Free of intimidating and collective bargaining.

Expats equate to massive numbers well exceeding those at home, and most left Lebanon on bad terms. Either through war or poverty . And they need to hold someone accountable for their misfortune.

FPM can either capitalize on these numbers, but if they are neglected, they could lead to FPM's demise.

Hizbullah weapons is definitely the biggest deterrent. The more GMA fights for these weapons to exist outside government control, the less credible he is to Expats. MOU's are only credible when conditions are implemented, and not just listed on paper.

Expats need accountability, because we see how corrupt Lebanon is, and we need a voice of reason to keep the government on its toes. Expats can see through the 'democratieyeh tawafoukiyeh ' bullcrapp where ministries are divided amongst barons to siphon and milk each ministry for all its worth. What we need is a shadow ministry of several ministers, one for each portfolio. This ministry should be in a position to debate , propose , counterbudget and hold ministers accountable for their shortfalls. Democracy in its true form.

If the FPM take the high road and create an effective shadow ministry, not only will they regain credibility, but will ,most certainly make true change and reform to Lebanese Politics.

[J.Hanna]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

christians need a trong party that can gather them irresepctive of their backgorund - we need to end the ouweit-3awniyeh era - it's destructive
FPM could have been in better position after the 2005 elections if they have adopted a strategy of containing the others - the big alliance not the exclusion.
just try to see how FM works with the mentality of alliance - what they did towards Mikati and Salam - even karameh
How they turned opponenets into allies.
FPM never do this !! FPM attack everybody!! kell el 3alam fesdine w ze3ran!!

cheers

la2! Everyone except HA ofcourse...wallaow they are Angels sent to protect the Christians.

[coralie]

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

I think it was Sleiman Frangieh who in an interview last year stated that the whole reason for the FPM's existence is Samir Geagea, and that once he steps down as LF leader there will be no need for the FPM to continue to function. I dunno.

As for who will take Aoun's fanbase after Aoun, I also dunno. If you had told me or an FPMer 10 years ago that next in line to be the head of many FPM supporters was Sleiman Frangieh, we all would've laughed. Politics and those involved change. Sleiman Frangieh was once seen as a Syrian agent by many FPMers and these same people now hail him as a great leader.

I think the FPM will last, it's a great party with great morals, but since its so built around Aoun it will lose a lot of power.

you said this 18 houres ago

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

The problem with the FPM is that there is no particular ideology followed. Is the FPM on the right or on the left? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the FPM is made up of capatalists and socialists, former LFers and former Phalangists, former communists, etc. I think it was Sleiman Frangieh last year who said that the whole reason for the FPM's existence is opposing Samir Geagea and that when Samir Geagea no longer leads the LF, the FPM will die. Basically, the party is filled with different ideologies and is brought together by their hatred for Geagea.

That's not a party.

and you repeat the same thing 18 houres later ! are you trying to convince yourself or some FPMers in this forum with this ridiculous comment ?
leich aslan min ari la geagea3kon ... hating geagea al LOL... he does not even diserve this privilege believe me ! FPM existed in the first place as a resistence against the occupier and foreign interferences it never existed because of geagea . your giving him more credits then he diserve .



* The Jade what are you doing in your serounding (in canada) to help FPM becoming a better "parti" ? posting in the FPM forum just for fun or are you active with FPM canada ?

why dont you write your concerns directly to the leadership ? try and try and try keep writing once twice 100 times if you'r so worried make your voice heard . the forum is a good place but not always the "exact" place to express your "concerns" .

[J.Hanna]

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

The problem with the FPM is that there is no particular ideology followed. Is the FPM on the right or on the left? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the FPM is made up of capatalists and socialists, former LFers and former Phalangists, former communists, etc. I think it was Sleiman Frangieh last year who said that the whole reason for the FPM's existence is opposing Samir Geagea and that when Samir Geagea no longer leads the LF, the FPM will die. Basically, the party is filled with different ideologies and is brought together by their hatred for Geagea.

That's not a party.

Yes, Sleiman Frangieh knows this and thats why he he positioning himself as GMA's #2 man. SF knows exactly what he's doing. SF knows that he is the best option for the anti-Geagea aounists. The man is only 44 years old, he has a long future ahead of him and he's banking on this huge investment on swallowing up the aounists into his party.

As for Amine, he 67 years old so he should be retiring soon and handing over leadership to Sami in the coming years. So untill then I think the Aounists will stay with Franjieh.

Samir Geagea is only 56 years old so unless some restructuring occurs within the LF, he is going to be around for a long time.

I expect Franjieh and Geagea to be the top two leaders within our community for the foreseeable future. Hopefully these two men are able to reconcile their differences and unite the Christians not necessarily in politics but at least under the cause of the existence and survival or community.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by J.Hanna

Yes, Sleiman Frangieh knows this and thats why he he positioning himself as GMA's #2 man. SF knows exactly what he's doing. SF knows that he is the best option for the anti-Geagea aounists. The man is only 44 years old, he has a long future ahead of him and he's banking on this huge investment on swallowing up the aounists into his party.

As for Amine, he 67 years old so he should be retiring soon and handing over leadership to Sami in the coming years. So untill then I think the Aounists will stay with Franjieh.

Samir Geagea is only 56 years old so unless some restructuring occurs within the LF, he is going to be around for a long time.

I expect Franjieh and Geagea to be the top two leaders within our community for the foreseeable future. Hopefully these two men are able to reconcile their differences and unite the Christians not necessarily in politics but at least under the cause of the existence and survival or community.

The reason why we will never see a better Lebanon... Unfortunately...

Same names, same leaders who stay on the top till they die...

Thank you!!

[punkgirlie16]

que se vayan todos.

[PFC]

Originally Posted by J.Hanna

Yes, Sleiman Frangieh knows this and thats why he he positioning himself as GMA's #2 man. SF knows exactly what he's doing. SF knows that he is the best option for the anti-Geagea aounists. The man is only 44 years old, he has a long future ahead of him and he's banking on this huge investment on swallowing up the aounists into his party.

As for Amine, he 67 years old so he should be retiring soon and handing over leadership to Sami in the coming years. So untill then I think the Aounists will stay with Franjieh.

Samir Geagea is only 56 years old so unless some restructuring occurs within the LF, he is going to be around for a long time.

I expect Franjieh and Geagea to be the top two leaders within our community for the foreseeable future. Hopefully these two men are able to reconcile their differences and unite the Christians not necessarily in politics but at least under the cause of the existence and survival or community.

or maybe geagea can kill SF like he did with his dad and he will become the sole leader of the Christians and the survivors will live happily and enjoy the wisdom of the hakim in time of peace and his greatness in battles in time of war

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by punkgirlie16

que se vayan todos.

Totalmente de acuerdo

gracias

[joe tayyar]

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

The problem with the FPM is that there is no particular ideology followed. Is the FPM on the right or on the left? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the FPM is made up of capatalists and socialists, former LFers and former Phalangists, former communists, etc. I think it was Sleiman Frangieh last year who said that the whole reason for the FPM's existence is opposing Samir Geagea and that when Samir Geagea no longer leads the LF, the FPM will die. Basically, the party is filled with different ideologies and is brought together by their hatred for Geagea.

That's not a party.

FPM came with a mission from long time ago, its Change & Feform and returning the christian rights.
They dont want to change samir geagea and neither reform him.
Samir geagea is not in FPM's agenda.
Thus they returned the christian rights