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if the opposition remains unified, they will get what they want.
the moment Hariri was elected as prime minister, the opposition's
goal of 1/3+1 became very reachable.
it is obvious that Saudi Arabia will not let its citizen fail in forming
the government, his first government....no way.
and vice versa if Hariri cannot form the government, it will be a failure
for his sponsor: Saudi Arabia.
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opposition should be a part of the government and "services" ministries, such as ministry of social services and transportation ministries, should be part of their share as "zifit", for example, proved to be am attraction to some bajam in the past elections, so why not think in advance and take advantage of this?
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Shev, I hope you're joking.

My opinion is that FPM, and the opposition as a whole, should not participate in the government, no matter what offers are given to us.

To people who think that we should change things from inside like Gebran Bassil did, I tell you: LOOK AT BATROUN for heaven's sake and wake up to the fact that people don't give a **** sh8t about reform.

To people who think that letting March 14 rule alone will be catastrophic, I tell them that there is a constitution in Lebanon and thus the parliamanent can be a balance if used properly.

It will be a big mistake for FPM to enter the government, because at this moment we have more important goals, like forming a solid party that would last post-GMA. Besides, didn't we preach for change? Change is NOT entering the government and continuing with this rotten system of cake sharing. Change is staying out and showing everyone what an effective opposition can do in Lebanon (and by effective, I don't mean sit-ins and camps in Beirut, I mean in parliament).

Unfortunately, GMA and FPM officials around him have not heard a single of our cries and have not taken into consideration a single of our constructive criticism after the elections. They're still running the show like they did between 2005 and 2009. If we continue like that, we'll be a new Marada or SSNP-like-party, where our strength is only located in a few districts.
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What's the role of parliament..
I repeat, beyond the government.. what's the role of parliament in governance?

Why all this focus on the government.
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what's the role of parliament in governance?

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Who the hell knows / cares? Is there any governance in Lebanon anyway? Everyone seems to do whatever they like, regardless of any constitution...

At any rate, I agree with your question about the futility of this focus on the government:
We participate and work hard on fighting corruption in some areas. Best case, we make some wins that Hariri allows, and they will be the unpopular ones (ie. none of the big guns will lose anything). Worst case, Hariri blocks everything and we will be guilty by association / "abstention"..
Both cases, we will face Goebbels again and whatever we did will be distorted

We don't participate and then they do anything they want, regardless of the constitution and the law and they still blame us for all the problems...

The question should not be whether or not we participate in the government, it should be which passport to get...
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لان الدستور يوجب ذلك و بكل بساطة
Vivid imagination.

First, the constitution is optional. It is only used as a suggestion. Sleiman was elected against the constitution. Article 83 is a joke, and it seems not even the deadlines are of interest to the ruling class.

Second, Clause j of the Preamble of the Constitution states the following:
Joke
There is no constitutional legitimacy for any authority which contradicts the 'pact of communal coexistence'.

Nobody knows what the pact of communal coexistence means.
And what the opposition fails to explain is how the absence from the government of some parties that were elected by the majority of some sect constitutes an infringement of this pact.
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Shev, I hope you're joking.

My opinion is that FPM, and the opposition as a whole, should not participate in the government, no matter what offers are given to us.

To people who think that we should change things from inside like Gebran Bassil did, I tell you: LOOK AT BATROUN for heaven's sake and wake up to the fact that people don't give a **** sh8t about reform.

To people who think that letting March 14 rule alone will be catastrophic, I tell them that there is a constitution in Lebanon and thus the parliamanent can be a balance if used properly.

It will be a big mistake for FPM to enter the government, because at this moment we have more important goals, like forming a solid party that would last post-GMA. Besides, didn't we preach for change? Change is NOT entering the government and continuing with this rotten system of cake sharing. Change is staying out and showing everyone what an effective opposition can do in Lebanon (and by effective, I don't mean sit-ins and camps in Beirut, I mean in parliament).

Unfortunately, GMA and FPM officials around him have not heard a single of our cries and have not taken into consideration a single of our constructive criticism after the elections. They're still running the show like they did between 2005 and 2009. If we continue like that, we'll be a new Marada or SSNP-like-party, where our strength is only located in a few districts.
To everyone saying that we shouldn't participate in the government,

What is the aim of your party?
What is the aim of the opposition?

From your posts, unfortunately I see that you see the aim as having a seat here and a seat there.... What's happening to you??

Our aim is this country and its people, our parties and elections are only means to reach that aim...

Participating in a government is not for you to win the elections in 2013... If you think that Gebran Bassil did all of the reforms for him to win the elections, then shame on you!!

For everyone saying that, let the country go to misery under M14 rule and let us watch it.... again WAKE UP!!!

This is Lebanon that we are talking about... I don't care who will serve its people, and I don't care who will fix the economy or electricity... If M14 can do it, then we should help...

Elections are over... Let's put our hands with their hands and fix this beloved country...

Enough is enough!!

Thank you!!
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Why ask why, enjoy sharing the pie.
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i am against joining the government.let them rule.let us focus now on the party.
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Why ask why, enjoy sharing the pie.
“If liberty and equality, as is thought by some, are chiefly to be found in democracy, they will be best attained when all persons alike share in government to the utmost."(Aristotle)
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