Lets say, in absolute terms, if we want to take the lebanese case as an independant entity of the neibourhood, if we want to consider lebanon as a secular state, where democracy rules, if we want to consider HA as a militia, not as a resistance , that this decision was fair enough.
But what about the palestenians weapons? Inside the camps or outside it. How many armed militia there are in the camps? Can our army enter the camp?Are the palestinians abiding by the laws of our country?
What danger is more imminent? the danger of the palestinians? or the "danger" of the lebanese? Shame on our government who has no sign of consistency in his decisions. Shame on the people who woke up today clapping their hands.
ya3ne I would loved to have a statement about the palestinians weapons. ya 3ayb el shoum. now HA are ennemies inside the state, but what about the palestinians ? Anybody cares about their weapons?
All milicias, lebanese or non-lebanese, must be disarmed. Only the army must carry weapons. As far as I remember there is a UN resolution that states that and I am not sure the majority is the most strong opponent to the UN resolution...
BTW in the last years (let's say since 1975) the weapons carried by lebanes "civilians" has not proven much less dangerous than the one carried by palestinians, ;-)
BTW2 HA made statements aginst disarming the palestinians.
BTW3 HA was not on the side of LA in Nahr el Bared, on the contrary , several time Nasrallah has stated entering the camp was a red line
All milicias, lebanese or non-lebanese, must be disarmed. Only the army must carry weapons. As far as I remember there is a UN resolution that states that and I am not sure the majority is the most strong opponent to the UN resolution...
BTW in the last years (let's say since 1975) the weapons carried by lebanes "civilians" has not proven much less dangerous than the one carried by palestinians, ;-)
BTW2 HA made statements aginst disarming the palestinians.
BTW3 HA was not on the side of LA in Nahr el Bared, on the contrary , several time Nasrallah has stated entering the camp was a red line
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BTW4: If you disarm HA today, what bargaining cards will you have to use with Israel if ever you were to have peace negotiations with them?
Oh I am sorry, you didn't think that far, ma3le I forgive you, you are not alone with this symptom.
BTW4: If you disarm HA today, what bargaining cards will you have to use with Israel if ever you were to have peace negotiations with them?
Oh I am sorry, you didn't think that far, ma3le I forgive you, you are not alone with this symptom.
So, GMA forever, what's stopping Lebanon from initiating such peace talks with Israel? You know, the sooner the better since Hezbollah's weapons are already being a huge internal problem.
On the other hand, didn't Nasrallah pledge the annihilation of Israel?
So, GMA forever, what's stopping Lebanon from initiating such peace talks with Israel? You know, the sooner the better since Hezbollah's weapons are already being a huge internal problem.
On the other hand, didn't Nasrallah pledge the annihilation of Israel?
the same thing that's stopping israel from initiating such peach talks with Lebanon. from a bargaining perspective, the one who makes the initiative is the one who's ready to concede. when the time is right and process is ripe, both countries will meet on equal footing.
on the other hand, didn't the israeli government issue the order to have SHN assassinated?
Lets say, in absolute terms, if we want to take the lebanese case as an independant entity of the neibourhood, if we want to consider lebanon as a secular state, where democracy rules, if we want to consider HA as a militia, not as a resistance , that this decision was fair enough.
But what about the palestenians weapons? Inside the camps or outside it. How many armed militia there are in the camps? Can our army enter the camp?Are the palestinians abiding by the laws of our country?
What danger is more imminent? the danger of the palestinians? or the "danger" of the lebanese? Shame on our government who has no sign of consistency in his decisions. Shame on the people who woke up today clapping their hands.
ya3ne I would loved to have a statement about the palestinians weapons. ya 3ayb el shoum. now HA are ennemies inside the state, but what about the palestinians ? Anybody cares about their weapons?
the same thing that's stopping israel from initiating such peach talks with Lebanon. from a bargaining perspective, the one who makes the initiative is the one who's ready to concede. when the time is right and process is ripe, both countries will meet on equal footing.
So, GMA forever, what's stopping Lebanon from initiating such peace talks with Israel? You know, the sooner the better since Hezbollah's weapons are already being a huge internal problem.
On the other hand, didn't Nasrallah pledge the annihilation of Israel?
Lebanon cannot start anything, since these are HA controlled weapons, and HA does not recognize any control of the state over their weapons. It is HA that should agree to negotiate. It hasn't and wont for a long list of reasons most of them have nothing to do with Lebanon and Nasrallah gave us a flavor of where HA stands in his recent speech. Much like HA is negotiating the prisoner release, they can if they are willing negotiate peace and disarmament. But they do not want to, and no one can make them do anything, since they act like an independent state with its own independent internal and regional policies.
All weapons in Lebanon are a problem especially the ones in the hands of Lebanese. It doesn't matter if the palestinian arms are not first, but they should be disarmed as well.
Lebanon cannot start anything, since these are HA controlled weapons, and HA does not recognize any control of the state over their weapons. It is HA that should agree to negotiate. It hasn't and wont for a long list of reasons most of them have nothing to do with Lebanon and Nasrallah gave us a flavor of where HA stands in his recent speech.
Much like HA is negotiating the prisoner release, they can if they are willing negotiate peace and disarmament. But they do not want to, and no one can make them do anything, since they act like an independent state with its own independent internal and regional policies.
All weapons in Lebanon are a problem especially the ones in the hands of Lebanese. It doesn't matter if the palestinian arms are not first, but they should be disarmed as well.
Actually, what I said is the following: "Bottom line: Does Lebanon wants peace or not? Does Hezbollah want peace or not? The rest is irrelevant quibbling.", so yes, the decision right now is Hezbollah's. But theoretically, two major Lebanese groups, Hezbollah and the loyalists (let's say represented by Siniora) refuse any peace talks or agreement with Israel.
The first wants to annihilate Israel, the other wants to be the last Arab country to ever sign a peace with Israel. In that context, presenting the "bargain over the weapons" as a raison d'etre for Hezbollah's weapons is an ultimate absurdity.
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Actually, what I said is the following: "Bottom line: Does Lebanon wants peace or not? Does Hezbollah want peace or not? The rest is irrelevant quibbling.", so yes, the decision right now is Hezbollah's. But theoretically, two major Lebanese groups, Hezbollah and the loyalists (let's say represented by Siniora) refuse any peace talks or agreement with Israel.
The first wants to annihilate Israel, the other wants to be the last Arab country to ever sign a peace with Israel. In that context, presenting the "bargain over the weapons" as a raison d'etre for Hezbollah's weapons is an ultimate absurdity.
Maybe the government should declare that " it wants to open independent peace negotiations with Israel much like sister Syria has"... (though you cannot negotiate something you do not control!)... What would be the reaction of HA I wonder? which part of Lebanon would they invade this time around in response!
The state of Lebanon is nothing less than a HA hostage today...
The state of Lebanon is nothing less than a HA hostage today...
the state of Lebanon will never be hostage to the hzib and always remember if its matter and the civil war breaks up it will be the end of the hzib and nasrallah knows that that's why he stopped
1st June 2008
