Why the governemnt wants HA's weapons first and not Palestinian weapons?

[Chief]

Originally Posted by BEAST

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"المنار": الجيش يقتل انتحاريا فلسطينيا كان يحاول تفجير نفسه على حاجز للجيش عند مخيم عين الحلوة
ذكر تلفزيون "المنار" أن الجيش اللبناني قتل انتحاريا فلسطينيا كان يحاول تفجير نفسه على حاجز للجيش عند مخيم عين الحلوة.
وفي التفاصيل كما روتها المحطة أن عنصراً فلسطينيا كان يستقل سيارة عندما أوقفه عناصر الجيش فنزل من السيارة وفر هاربا ما دفع الجيش إلى إطلاق النار عليه فأردوه قتيلا ليتبين أنه كان يرتدي حزاما ناسفا ويود تفجير نفسه أمام الحاجز.
وأشارت المحطة إلى أن الوضع يشهد استنفاراً للجيش بعد أن تمّ قطع الطريق.

Back to our main major problem: the Palestinians. We will never live in peace until we find a solution for them

[Vagus Nerve]

Originally Posted by Chief

Back to our main major problem: the Palestinians. We will never live in peace until we find a solution for them

It is much bigger than palestinians.. Such people can be from lebanon, syria, etc .. Its all about a group who consider themselves right and everyone else is wrong (hence every-other-one should be killed!).. they always been like that...but the sad thing is that they gained strength and started to show to the surface because "someone" is backing them... =/

[Chief]

Originally Posted by Vagus Nerve

It is much bigger than palestinians.. Such people can be from lebanon, syria, etc .. Its all about a group who consider themselves right and everyone else is wrong (hence every-other-one should be killed!).. they always been like that...but the sad thing is that they gained strength and started to show to the surface because "someone" is backing them... =/

Good one ! I seriously hope aoun stops backing up and providing a cover for the Palestinians. I think enough is enough with that old idiot genral

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Vagus Nerve

It is much bigger than palestinians.. Such people can be from lebanon, syria, etc .. Its all about a group who consider themselves right and everyone else is wrong (hence every-other-one should be killed!).. they always been like that...but the sad thing is that they gained strength and started to show to the surface because "someone" is backing them... =/

Yeah ...

The Rise of Fatah al-Islam (June/July 2007)

Franklin Lamb: Who's Behind the Fighting in North Lebanon

Franklin Lamb: Blowback Across Lebanon

YouTube - Seymour Hersh on U.S. funding Lebanon and Gaza violence

Annals of National Security: The Redirection: Reporting & Essays: The New Yorker

[Chief]

شخصان مخموران يطلقان النار في مخيم الرشيدية
وزكي يؤكد توقيفهما وضبط الخروقات في المخيمات

وطنية- 31/5/2008 (امن)افاد مكتب الوكالة الوطنية للاعلام في صور ان رشقات رشاشة، سمعت من داخل مخيم الرشيدية ، جنوبي مدينة صور،تبين انها ناجمة عن اشكال محدود " دون ان يسفر ذلك عن سقوط اصابات.
وعقب ذلك طلب امين سرّ حركة "فتح" في لبنان سلطان ابو العينين، عقد اجتماع طارئ للحركة لمعالجة الموقف.
واكد ممثل منظمة التحرير الفلسطينية في لبنان عباس زكي ان اطلاق الرصاص ناجم عن حادث فردي افتعله مسلحان احدهما لبناني واخر فلسطيني في اطلاقهما النار في الهواء وهما في حالة السكر الشديد وعملت الجهات الفلسطينية المسؤولة داخل المخيم على تطويق الحادث والقاء القبض على المسلحين, وقد تزامن ذلك مع اجتماع لمختلف مسؤولي فتح برئاسة عباس زكي في بيروت تم خلاله درس ما يحصل في المخيمات بين فترة واخرى وبينها ما حصل عند مدخل عين الحلوة حيث قتل عناصر الجيش شخصا كان مزنرا بحزام ناسف .
وبعد التداول اعطى عباس زكي تعليماته الى كل القوى المولجة بالتشدد في ضبط الخروق الامنية التي تعرض لها المخيمات والحفاظ على الامن والاستقرار والتعاون مع الجيش اللبناني والقوى الامنية في محيط المخيمات لتوقيف كل من تسول له نفسه افتعال اعمال شغب.
وقال عباس ان الاجتماعات ستتواصل مع كل المعنيين لكل تكون المخيمات واحات سلام واستقرار

I am still failing to understand how the danger of HA weapons is more imminent then the pales. ones.

Please someone enlighten me

[Pasteur]

Originally Posted by Vagus Nerve

It is much bigger than palestinians.. Such people can be from lebanon, syria, etc .. Its all about a group who consider themselves right and everyone else is wrong (hence every-other-one should be killed!).. they always been like that...but the sad thing is that they gained strength and started to show to the surface because "someone" is backing them... =/

Could be related to the "unwelcomed" american guest...Eric something eldemen!

[LEBANESE FRONT 75]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Why the governemnt wants HA's weapons first and not Palestinian weapons?


The government doesn't want the Palestinian weapons at the first place.It already owns their holders.

The government just wants HA's weapons ...and more...HA's head and body.

Ok lets send your resistance against the enemies of Lebanon, what do you think ?? Especially since they are well trained, better equiped and have resisted Israel for how many years, they should be able to crush the camps with in days.

[Shuyu3i]

The weapons of the palestinians are ofcourse more dangerous and should be taken of them first. This is why GMS wants both the interior and defence so they can be under one roof. Once the houkomi is formed they should go to all camps and take them off the palestinians and any other person who is armed. This is unacceptable ba2a.

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by Paulb958

1- when LF was attacked by Syria in 1978 (100 day war) they fought back and pushed out the syrian out of east beirut totally. GMA did not move one inch in his "harb el-tahrir". he only caused damage to the only free zone in lebanon.
2- I cheered GMA in 1988-89 Because I beleived in one and only one army should exist in Lebanon. But when I see all the defense and justification for HA weapons from no other then FPMer i get pissed off. I would rather see and LF weapon vs other terrorist militias.

that's where you are wrong. GMA moved more than one inch during the "harb el ta7rir"; the syrians and their allies forced the Lebanese army back, and GMA lost the military war.


the question you should ask yourself is why did he lose?

politically, all the Lebanese leaderships that now parade as heroes sided with the syrians against GMA. in particular the LF, which along with bkerki provided the Christian cover to the American/Syrian agreement to take over Lebanon.

militarily, the LF artillery was shelling the Lebanese army posts in the back and from the back, as our heroes were trying to resist the syrian invasion.

so yes, GMA lost a battle, but he won a country. while your friends may have won the battle on october 13 1990, but they lost their honor and their right to lecture about resistance.

as to HA weapons, we have provided you with a way to peacefully solve the problem with two major advantages,

1- solution without bloodshed
2- leverage during the peacetalks with israel.

why cant you envision a solution that doesn't involve bloodshed?
why do you want to strip the weapons internally when they can be used as an important bargaining chip against the nationalization of the palestinian or against the public debt when the time comes for peace?

stop following your emotions and try to think rationally.

[OrangeZayteh]

Hello,
I am wondering what HA's position is to this question:
1. Are they with the immediate and unconditional disarming of all the palestinian camps?
2. if yes, what about using force (LA) if they refuse?

What about FPM?
Immediate & unconditional? even using force?

why wasn't this point clearer in their MoU ?