Whom you think is your political rival?

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

The weapons aren't the only problem for sure. But all the real solutions begin with disarmament.

The weapons didn't "now" become a big problem, they were always a big problem even before 2005. I should be the one asking you how did the weapons "now" become a small problem?

There is no "strategic" ready solution for the weapons as you claim. If so what is it? and why isn't it being implemented?

The issue of Palestinian weapons is equally important and needs to be dealt with. It need not be linked with a solution to the Palestinians status.

Weapons are an internal problem as much as they are an external one.

There isn't one "Zionist" thing in what I am saying. Please spare me the usual attacks, show me one "Zionist" thing I said! My interests have always been nationalist ones, and no one can distort them.

You guys are funny! You make it sound as if Lebanon would be a perfect country without the HA weapons!

You should know that Lebanese, FPMers, Kataebists or LFers would never have protested the Syrian occupation if it wasn't for the corruption, the obstruction of justice and the arbitrary detentions... So basically the dictatorship! If it wasn't for that then the Syrian occupation would simply be the equivalent of peacekeeping forces!

So the problem in Lebanon isn't the HA arms, unless you believe that HA's arms are the cause of the corruption (of justice and the administration amongst others), the waste of public funds, etc.!

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Youchka, no matter the undeniable effects of Shiites and Sunni votes in mixed districts, the one clear thing that the recent elections proved beyond doubt is that you are losing the sympathy and support of the Christian street very fast. Your party has destroyed its credibility in the Christian street by itself, it has really no one else to blame. Your descent from around 70% to around 50% in support in the Christian street is no small feat, or defeat, and you have mostly inflicted that on yourselves. Continue on that route, and the FPM bloc in the 2013 parliament will be only GMA, plus whomever you can elect with the votes of the Shiite community and if the results of elections in Kesrwen didn't scare you to death, you are entirely blind.

Zouzou, funny enough, FPM votes increased instead of decreasing. Now one must wonder how did the percentages increase that much to make the difference, hum, let's see, HARIRI'S MONEY AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Margot Montes de Occa says hi by the way.

Oh and by the way, you kept on predicting before elections that FPM because of its politics and whatever will barely get few MPs. Our MPs increased, did you notice that? Our MPs increased and our number of voters increased. I do not care if I lost few seats because of the flocks of Australians or Canadians who barely know where Lebanon is. To me, the Lebanese living INSIDE lebanon, knowing EVERYTHING going on in Lebanon gave us their trust, and to me that is more than enough.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Hezbollah doesn't only belong in the political entities list of choices. It has its own category in the armed militia list as well. I consider Hezbollah's weapons to be the biggest problem for Lebanon and the biggest rival for all Lebanese including the Shiite community itself.

Nafsel mouwwel, walla zhe2na
What about the Palestinians weapons? why should the lebanese deposit their weapons first and the Palestinians shouldn't? Why should anybody at all discuss disarming any lebanese if we do not disarm Palestinians first, especially that we see a faction ready to use the Palestinians and fight along with them against other Lebanese, I am specifically talking about FM who are ready to sideline the FPM with all what they represent and will not hesitate to nationalize the Palestinians and even use any weapons they have to "protect Bayrout" and "defend the sunnism", I don't trust FM they are al Qaeida in suits and if you leave them to their own devices they will along with the hardline Palestinians sitting in camps armed to the teeth start a new nahrel bered and a new 1975.
Therefore before disarming Palestinians it is a shame to ask anybody else to disarm.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Saladin

Tab ma they are Lebanese, what do you want them to do sit aside to make this battle a mere christian one? Had it not been for the thousands of christian votes in these areas, the Sunnite votes would've made nothing.

This is what you wrote and what I was answering:

Hariris' Sunni votes didnt help them in Ashrafieh, Koura, Bshare, Batron and Maten. They were even close to knocking aoun down in Keserwen, so I wouldn't underestimate them if I were you.

So again, if it wasn't for Hariri's Sunni votes, they wouldn't have dreamed of doing s__.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Zouzou, funny enough, FPM votes increased instead of decreasing. Now one must wonder how did the percentages increase that much to make the difference, hum, let's see, HARIRI'S MONEY AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Margot Montes de Occa says hi by the way.

Oh and by the way, you kept on predicting before elections that FPM because of its politics and whatever will barely get few MPs. Our MPs increased, did you notice that? Our MPs increased and our number of voters increased. I do not care if I lost few seats because of the flocks of Australians or Canadians who barely know where Lebanon is. To me, the Lebanese living INSIDE lebanon, knowing EVERYTHING going on in Lebanon gave us their trust, and to me that is more than enough.

For your sake dear Youchka, I sincerely do hope that you are telling me one thing here in the forum to satisfy your pride and ego, and thereafter behind closed doors you do after all take a more lucid and pragmatic look at the election results and the realities of your popular support. I can only hope that your head isnt buried deep in the quick sands of your own propaganda...

[teshesh]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Hezbollah doesn't only belong in the political entities list of choices. It has its own category in the armed militia list as well. I consider Hezbollah's weapons to be the biggest problem for Lebanon and the biggest rival for all Lebanese including the Shiite community itself.

i always enjoy it when 14ers enlists "shiite community" among the rivals of HA weapons ... it is a sweet way to say "i'm not against HA weapons for sectarian reasons"!
this "shiite community itself" voted for HA lists in the elections since 1992 whith large majorities. this community itself gave HA and HA allies 90 to 95% of its votes last june. as a "biggest danger" and "biggest rival", that is a hell of a score man. those people don't have the sens of danger!!!

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

The weapons aren't the only problem for sure. But all the real solutions begin with disarmament.

Yes indeed, and the first real solution that we will have as a reward to that disarmament is the Palestinian tawteen + more Palestinians kicked out from Palestine.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

For your sake dear Youchka, I sincerely do hope that you are telling me one thing here in the forum to satisfy your pride and ego, and thereafter behind closed doors you do after all take a more lucid and pragmatic look at the election results and the realities of your popular support. I can only hope that your head isnt buried deep in the quick sands of your own propaganda...

For your own credibility sake, go read numbers, compare them to 2005, and then come back ta tetfalssaf 3leyna. My pride and ego were never ever touched, not even slightly, because "I never was a murderer, a thief, or an agent".
Again, I will repeat it to you, you seem to need things repeated many times to assimilate them. When my vote numbers increase, this shows that the people who I had are still with me, and others were added to them. When my opponent gets airplanes full of people who do not even remember where Lebanon is just to vote against me (and who end up being left at the airport and cursing Hariri and co) and affect the % of voters, then it means that I won the Lebanese who live inside Lebanon, who know what is going on on a regular basis, who base their vote on clear, knowledgeable information, not some stupid flocks who do not know who Joumblat or Boutros Harb are.

Here's for you: my friend who came from the US 3 days before the elections to vote "against HA", did not know that Joumbi called his allies jenss 3atel. She also did not know how Geagea HAD to remove his candidate from Acharfieh just to please Harri. She did not know many many things. Well guess what, after 3 days of me showing her facts, not my own opinion, but actually articles, videos... my friend did not vote at all. She did not vote for the opposition (that would have needed 3 more days with me) but she did not feel that the others deserved her vote.
This to tell you that many of the people living abroad are ignorant about many things happening here, not all of them are hooked to the forum and the tayyar.org and nahar and other sourcs of Lebanese info. All they know is that HA is the beast and we should be against it no more no less.
And this all to tell you that to me, the trust of the Lebanese living inside Lebanon means much more than the one of those living abroad and knowing very little about what is happening inside the country.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Here's for you: my friend who came from the US 3 days before the elections to vote "against HA", did not know that Joumbi called his allies jenss 3atel. She also did not know how Geagea HAD to remove his candidate from Acharfieh just to please Harri. She did not know many many things. Well guess what, after 3 days of me showing her facts, not my own opinion, but actually articles, videos... my friend did not vote at all. She did not vote for the opposition (that would have needed 3 more days with me) but she did not feel that the others deserved her vote.

Are you sure your friend didn't vote behind your back, so not to hurt your feelings, Youchka?

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Are you sure your friend didn't vote behind your back, so not to hurt your feelings, Youchka?

Is that al what you got from my post? Pathetic indeed.