what's wrong with the opposition media?

[Ignatius]

Just look at the names of the TV stations
- some are callled based on a party name in an explicit manner (ftv, otv, al-manar, etc.)
- others are called with no reference to specific party names (lbc, ntv, mtv, etc.)
Same goes for the intro of the news : maybe some less explicit party-supportive statement is more efficient when oit comes to "independant" voters

[Placebo]

Originally Posted by dyyyy

We all have the impression that the media in lebanon is controlled by the loyalists,
ad it seems that they always manage to make a propaganda about anything
to list a few : lbc, mtv, ftv, an-nahar, l'orient le jour...
what i don't get is that the opposition has a fair amount of supporting media :
ntv, otv, tayyar.org, al-akhbar, al-saffir...
why don't we feel their effect on the ground??

look around you for people not engaged in politics and you'll see that :
everybody knows when one MP makes a call to Iran, but nobody knows that hariri is spending weeks in KSA.
nobody knows that FPM has pushed to get the 1960 law to compromise, nobody knows that 14M tried to implement the Islamic children rights.
everybody knows that HA called may 7th a "glory day" and nobody knows what jumblat said about the maronites.

this was my personal experience before the elections, when many of my friends told me they will vote 14M, because they "believe in one state" and they don't want lebanon to become "an islamic country", and these people don't know what's the name of the president.
what am i missing?

The problem with the opposition's media is that it's explicitely biased. No body other than hardcore FPMer watches OTV, (manar is even worst).
NTV is better on this level.

but for the loyalists, their media is not explicitly biased (with the exeption of FTV). LBCI for instance makes itself appeal to everybody, while implicitly sending their msgs. same for MTV.

if we want to have a progress on this level, we should make our media heard by everyone, and not only FPMers.

[Red Phoenix]

loyalist medias are using new school propaganda tricks

opposition medias are using old school propaganda tricks

it's like the terminator 1 facing liquid terminator 2

and if one isn't exactly fond of propaganda then one ends up not watching any channel

smart witty openly informative news with a purpose is too difficult a task for our simpled minded journalists to undertake.

so now we got a situation between the tv channels that is very much like the dug in trenches of WW1.

no one is going anywhere

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

loyalist medias are using new school propaganda tricks

opposition medias are using old school propaganda tricks

it's like the terminator 1 facing liquid terminator 2

and if one isn't exactly fond of propaganda then one ends up not watching any channel

smart witty openly informative news with a purpose is too difficult a task for our simpled minded journalists to undertake.

so now we got a situation between the tv channels that is very much like the dug in trenches of WW1.

no one is going anywhere

The loyalist media is:
MODERN AND INNOVATIVE (LBC , FTV and especially MTV)

The opposition media is :
REFURBISHED TELE LIBAN (NBN & OTV) ,
TARGETING A SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS GROUP(MANAR)
TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE (NEW TV )

Christian are attracted by the first category.
They are not attracted by NBN and Manar and OTV is too much colored and lags behind in terms of quality and innovation.

[Lebanesegirl]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

The loyalist media is:
MODERN AND INNOVATIVE (LBC , FTV and especially MTV)

The opposition media is :
REFURBISHED TELE LIBAN (NBN & OTV) ,
TARGETING A SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS GROUP(MANAR)
TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE (NEW TV )

Christian are attracted by the first category.
They are not attracted by NBN and Manar and OTV is too much colored and lags behind in terms of quality and innovation.

I agree! but when u say LBC,FTV and MTV ur talking about $$$$$$$$

OTV still new, I'm hoping to see a new look soon! dicore taba3oun is old! But again to change it u need $$$$$ and malheuresment our Iranians friends stopped helping us because of the problems happening now in Iran.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

The loyalist media is:
MODERN AND INNOVATIVE (LBC , FTV and especially MTV)

The opposition media is :
REFURBISHED TELE LIBAN (NBN & OTV) ,
TARGETING A SPECIFIC RELIGIOUS GROUP(MANAR)
TRYING TO BE INNOVATIVE (NEW TV )

Christian are attracted by the first category.
They are not attracted by NBN and Manar and OTV is too much colored and lags behind in terms of quality and innovation.

call it modern i already called it new

call it refurbished i already called it old

but that's not the gist of my post

they are both using propaganda

i want to see a new modern and innovative propaganda-free channel that attracts people by enabling them to make informed choices.

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by Lebanesegirl

I agree! but when u say LBC,FTV and MTV ur talking about $$$$$$$$

OTV still new, I'm hoping to see a new look soon! dicore taba3oun is old! But again to change it u need $$$$$ and malheuresment our Iranians friends stopped helping us because of the problems happening now in Iran.

dicooore la studio metl el khale2 chu bikallif ?? 50,000$ or 100,000 $???
enno please the background behind georges yasmine looks coming straight from Tele Liban or Tele North Korea (raff kello ghabra, vase zghir, cadre fadeh with 2 books !!!)

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

dicooore la studio metl el khale2 chu bikallif ?? 50,000$ or 100,000 $???
enno please the background behind georges yasmine looks coming straight from Tele Liban or Tele North Korea (raff kello ghabra, vase zghir, cadre fadeh with 2 books !!!)

it's tele north korea hehe

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

call it modern i already called it new

call it refurbished i already called it old

but that's not the gist of my post

they are both using propaganda

i want to see a new modern and innovative propaganda-free channel that attracts people by enabling them to make informed choices.

till then wee need to work with what we have
OTV need serious make-over by reducing orange and be less subjective to attract neutrals (that constitute more than half of lebanese christians )

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

till then wee need to work with what we have
OTV need serious make-over by reducing orange and be less subjective to attract neutrals (that constitute more than half of lebanese christians )

that's what i am saying all along.

and so far we don't have much to work with.