What's Happening between Tachnag & Kataeb?

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

I was expecting such a tit-for-tat reply, but get this right: FPM did not ally with Michel Murr for 17 years, it did so in 2005 with the declared goal of seeking change within the system... the experiment failed and the party broke its alliance with Murr.

As for Tashnag, they've been in bed with Murr for ages and haven't attempted to change the system because understandably they're beneficiary of clientelism... do you see the difference?

In politics, what you just said is irrelevant...

With your logic, allying with a corrupt makes you one too...

In politicis there's nothing as allying for 1 week or 1 year or 10 years... Alliance means sharing the same opinions...

FPM has allied with MM and FPM is STILL allied to Tashnag, Berri Frangieh etc etc...

So by your logic FPM is the biggest corrupt out of all of them...

Thank again mate...

Originally Posted by coralie

Armenian please take a moment and read what one of your own ( sev ) just wrote and give me your opinion !

.

Coralie and lebanesegirl,

Sev gave his personal opinion and has nothing to do with Tashnag's stance or opinion.

The party has never gave such a statement nor any of its partisans...

The party has always worked for strengthening the lebanese state and will always do so and the party will never leave working politics in Lebanon not even for a second ...

I live outside of Lebanon now and me being active on a pure Lebanese forum is a sign of how much we are attached to Lebanon...

Thank you!!

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Armenian

In politics, what you just said is irrelevant...

With your logic, allying with a corrupt makes you one too...
In politicis there's nothing as allying for 1 week or 1 year or 10 years... Alliance means sharing the same opinions...

FPM has allied with MM and FPM is STILL allied to Tashnag, Berri Frangieh etc etc...

So by your logic FPM is the biggest corrupt out of all of them...

Thank again mate...

You're purposely missing the point but I will make it even easier for you to process:

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

They sided with Michel Murr and were an integral part of his electoral wins since 1992.. aiding corruption is corruption by itself.

FPM's relationship with the parties that you mentioned does not revolve around personal benefits, they rather seek change within the system... One could partly acknowledge the alliance of a reformist party with corrupts for that purpose.

Such alliances have started since 2005 and are facing the tests of time as it has already been proved with Murr (failed experience). FPM actually got more governance/policy differences with Amal than FM does. As for FPM's alliance with Tashnag, X summed it perfectly:

Originally Posted by X

Next year we have the municipality elections, I can assure you from now that Tashnag will not go into any battle in Maten against Kataeb and Michel Murr for the sake of FPM

Frangieh's alliance follows the same logic..

Can you explain on the other hand why Tashnag have been allied with Murr since 1992?

[coralie]

Originally Posted by Armenian

In politics, what you just said is irrelevant...

With your logic, allying with a corrupt makes you one too...

In politicis there's nothing as allying for 1 week or 1 year or 10 years... Alliance means sharing the same opinions...

FPM has allied with MM and FPM is STILL allied to Tashnag, Berri Frangieh etc etc...

So by your logic FPM is the biggest corrupt out of all of them...

Thank again mate...!!

this highlighted sentence cought my attention Armenian Tachnag parti was allied with MM for decades this means they were "sharing" same "opinions" with all what this "opinion" word means ! or am i wrong ? knowing what sort of "opinions" MM had and still have i cant but wonder !

Tachnag alliance with MM and the alliance with FPM are for us and should be for you 2 different things , for people who can see the big difference between the 2 of course , because FPM and MM are just 2 opposite "opinions" . (i was and still am one of those hardcore anti MM "opinion" and 2005 alliance)

now we know Tachnag is playing the mediator or trying to do so (at least this is what i would like to believe) but some people, based on past bad experiences we all know how dirty is our political scene and the unlimited backstabbing , became suspicious about any move, they react and keep asking to clarify things not out of bad intentions believe me but out of judiciousness . evaluating the positions , the actions and the positioning of groupes is a positif thing it help making a clearer idea thus better judgement .

Originally Posted by Armenian

Coralie and lebanesegirl,

Sev gave his personal opinion and has nothing to do with Tashnag's stance or opinion.

The party has never gave such a statement nor any of its partisans...

The party has always worked for strengthening the lebanese state and will always do so and the party will never leave working politics in Lebanon not even for a second ...

I live outside of Lebanon now and me being active on a pure Lebanese forum is a sign of how much we are attached to Lebanon...

Thank you!!

we always hope for the best for Lebanon and its citizens .

i saw you going after DI for what you considered ticklish comments . while Sev made a very unpleasant comment hurting the image of the Lebanese Tachnag more then anyone else and you did not react . not to mention his disrespect to Lebanon .
i am not in your shoes but if i was i certainly would not allow sev to make such a hurting statment .
when people use the word WE to talk about a certain parti and they do not represent this parti we make sure they keep it as a I not a WE or else it might misslead and be wrongly missunderstood leaving the reader with unpleasant feeling , i know i had a disagreeable feeling while reading his comments .

[sev]

Okey maybe my statement wording was wrong..
First, i dont speak for tashnag neither armenians. I am actually 60 % tashnag anbd 40 % personal opinion in politics.
However, let me put things differently..
We are 2 % right now of the country, and the country is ruled by religions. Maronites will never pick armenian leader for example..
With high muslim birth rates we will be less then 1 % in this country very soon. So really what can we do for lebanon? The problem is bigger then ours, and its better not to interfere.


enno coralie, is it needed all this attack on me????

[coralie]

Originally Posted by sev

Okey maybe my statement wording was wrong..
First, i dont speak for tashnag neither armenians. I am actually 60 % tashnag anbd 40 % personal opinion in politics.
However, let me put things differently..
We are 2 % right now of the country, and the country is ruled by religions. Maronites will never pick armenian leader for example..
With high muslim birth rates we will be less then 1 % in this country very soon. So really what can we do for lebanon? The problem is bigger then ours, and its better not to interfere.


enno coralie, is it needed all this attack on me????

yes it is needed and still is when i read a sentence like the one bellow

Originally Posted by sev

The problem is bigger then ours, and its better not to interfere.

NOT TO INTERFERE ?????? are you serious ?

either you consider yourself a lebanese citizen full stop or you dont . if you are a Lebanese citizen regardless of your religion or your grand father origines, minority or majority , this country is your problem bigger or smaller, it is your country and every problem becomes yours it should concern you and worry you !

now if you are not Lebanese or you as an armenian do not consider yourself Lebanese but more like Armenian citizen ONLY , then yes do not interfer but never forget this is YOU , other Lebanese armenian love this country and struggled like all of us for its survival .

[sev]

Originally Posted by coralie

yes it is needed and still is when i read a sentence like the one bellow



NOT TO INTERFERE ?????? are you serious ?

either you consider yourself a lebanese citizen full stop or you dont . if you are a Lebanese citizen regardless of your religion or your grand father origines, minority or majority , this country is your problem bigger or smaller, it is your country and every problem becomes yours it should concern you and worry you !

now if you are not Lebanese or you as an armenian do not consider yourself Lebanese but more like Armenian citizen ONLY , then yes do not interfer but never forget this is YOU , other Lebanese armenian love this country and struggled like all of us for its survival .

You are typical arab.
I am pretty sure your angry on hearing some saying tashnag wont be going to intikhabet baladiyet..and fpm is screwed somewhat.. You venting your anger all on me.

I am pretty sure if tashnag move to the other camp.. the other camp would be the one defending us like you do now, and you willl be calling us what they been calling us of badwords..

[coralie]

Originally Posted by sev

You are typical arab.
I am pretty sure your angry on hearing some saying tashnag wont be going to intikhabet baladiyet..and fpm is screwed somewhat.. You venting your anger all on me.

I am pretty sure if tashnag move to the other camp.. the other camp would be the one defending us like you do now, and you willl be calling us what they been calling us of badwords..

first i am LEBANESE .

is this all you got ? very very weak reply ! seems you are out of good arguments so your throwing du n'importe quoi . seems i hit a sensitive nerve huh ? i asked you do you or do you not consider yourself a LEBANESE citizen thats all . YES OR NO ??????. why suddenly you felt the urge to use this sort of bad language ?

i am very calm i do not need to vent dear it is you who seem to have a hudge identy problem and you are in an offensive mood ! chill .


reread your posts and my replies please ..... try to answer calmely without insulting my intelligence with your worthless comments .

Tachnag are free to take the decision that suit them like any other parti , FPM will go to municipality elections as they always did no one scre w FPM dont worry . we as LEBANESE NEED EACHOTHER TO BUILD A COUNTRY based on true constructive vision , seems this something some of you fail to understand and prefer the word screwed instead .

I dare you to find in one of my posts any insult or bad word about the Lebanese armenians before during or after elections . by the way i am not deffending you either . i m just objective .

[General my General!]

Alliance need not have anything to do with opinion. It is a bond whose purpose is to further your interests. If one party's interests meet with another's, it could (but not necessarily) be the basis of an alliance.

Some people still need to break free from the whole rant of religious domination as if we were still living in the middle ages. It does not matter how much remains of which sect, if we are not able to forge a stronger common identity.

Lebanese-Armenians are people who have Lebanese aspects in their identity too, that is hard to deny. There is no benchmark for what is more Lebanese or less, as this is constantly developing.

As for Kataeb and Tashnag, it is always interesting for smaller parties to get some attention, what better way to do it than with each other. I am hopeful though that some parties will play it less by traditional politics than by national interest.

Cheers!

[arman-i]

Originally Posted by Haririst

Michel Aoun left the tashnag, backstabbed them . Whatever you want to call.Aoun could have asked in doha agreement, armenians to vote for their representatives. A single district of 5 - 6 seats, armenian votes only. Instead he never did, because he wants them in maten election votes.Also ashrafieh.
Aoun increased his MP numbers, but tashnag didnt. Aoun won in doha agreement, and sacrificed the tashnag.

I dont have problem allying with tashnag, but not with FPM.

ma byen3atab 3leik, your nickname says it all

[sev]

Originally Posted by Haririst

Michel Aoun left the tashnag, backstabbed them . Whatever you want to call.Aoun could have asked in doha agreement, armenians to vote for their representatives. A single district of 5 - 6 seats, armenian votes only. Instead he never did, because he wants them in maten election votes.Also ashrafieh.
Aoun increased his MP numbers, but tashnag didnt. Aoun won in doha agreement, and sacrificed the tashnag.

I dont have problem allying with tashnag, but not with FPM.

Altho I hate hariris economy policy, I got to agree with you in this one.
Aoun moved from sunni voters picking us to maronite voters picking us.
He wanted us as difference makers in his christian leadership battles.It was never about armenian rights for him.