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Originally Posted by Dalzi HA represent the VAST majority of the Shiaa, attacking HA is a direct attack on the Shiaa whether you admit it/realize it/see it or not. It is a direct attack especially on the Shiaa of the South.
When Aaqel Hashem, a Lahdian leader who was sent to hell by HA, went to hell; Sfeir stood up and said "Aaqel rawa bidimi2ihi turab al'mentaqa". I heard that and hoped he follows him the next day. To the people of the South Sfeir tops the list of traitors and should be executed.
Cheers | so when you attack FM, PSP it means you are attacking the Sunnist and the Druze?
sorry but i have to disagree with you!
it's like you are saying Aoun was anti Chia until the Mou and now he is only anti Sunna because he is always attacking FM?
as for Akel Hashem i agree he is a traitor but what Sfeir said today is true about Hezbollah working for Iran's interests this is the reality!
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Originally Posted by Dalzi He will be more than welcome in the land of "Saoud" because he's as zionist as they are. I wouldn't be surprised if one day he confesses that he's a Jew. | what the big deal Nasrallah is Iranian and the Mufti is S3oudi and the sfeir is just taking Vatican political stances
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Sfeir is a traitor to the Christian cause and to Lebanon. He is definitely not spreading the true Christian message that call for peace, love and tolerance between religions.
The problem I have with Sfeir is that he is taking the Maronite Church to very biased positions. He should have no right to talk in the name of the Church; he talks in his own name but never in the name of the Church.
Like it or not, under Sfeir patronage, never ever in history Christian were that much divided. He is the cause of Christian divisions by putting oil on fire and keeping hate up in Christian minds.
He is a person full of hate, full of revenge and extremely influenced. Never forget how he fostered division just before TAEF and after TAEF.
For me Sfeir should not only resign but must be judged for all the bad things he did to the Christian.
He lost our respect, our support and fostering distance between the Church and the Christian.
We must not get dragged in this trap, we must always remember that Sfeir is NOT representing the Church and Christianity --
FPM should encourage the formation a group of priests and send this group to the Vatican to present the true to the Pope.
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Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi so when you attack FM, PSP it means you are attacking the Sunnist and the Druze?
sorry but i have to disagree with you!
it's like you are saying Aoun was anti Chia until the Mou and now he is only anti Sunna because he is always attacking FM?
as for Akel Hashem i agree he is a traitor but what Sfeir said today is true about Hezbollah working for Iran's interests this is the reality!
can you deny that FM is working for the Saudi's interests? | []He hates Muslims so much that he would do anything to weaken HA because he's worried about his hateful sectarian insterests. Knowing that he can't get rid of HA, he would use his zionist mouth to defame them in order to poison the minds of the naive and young, thus hoping for a future generation that would be as hateful towards the Shiaa as he is. HA exists because of the occupation, not because Iran exists. Without Iran there will be no one to aid us in protecting ourselves from everyone, we'll be forced out of our land for the Jarabs and Israel to implement their Zionist agenda. Iran's power is our power. Long Live the Islamic Republic of Iran
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Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi so when you attack FM, PSP it means you are attacking the Sunnist and the Druze?
sorry but i have to disagree with you!
it's like you are saying Aoun was anti Chia until the Mou and now he is only anti Sunna because he is always attacking FM?
as for Akel Hashem i agree he is a traitor but what Sfeir said today is true about Hezbollah working for Iran's interests this is the reality!
can you deny that FM is working for the Saudi's interests? | All what Saad has been offering so far in favor of Saudi is land, money, stability of country, well being of people...... Thus yes he is working for the benefit of saudi. When he offers his son as martyr, then, I would ay, no way is he doing it for the sake of Saudi or any other nation for that matter.
Hassan Nasrallah has offered his son, if you are telling me that he did so for Iran's benefit, and if you tell me rthat the thousands of parents in the South are offering their children martyrs and that for the sake of Iran, sorry but I do not buy it. | | | | | The Following User Says Thank You to Youchka For This Useful Post: | | | Registered Member
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Originally Posted by Dalzi HA represent the VAST majority of the Shiaa, attacking HA is a direct attack on the Shiaa whether you admit it/realize it/see it or not. It is a direct attack especially on the Shiaa of the South.
When Aaqel Hashem, a Lahdian leader who was sent to hell by HA, went to hell; Sfeir stood up and said "Aaqel rawa bidima2ihi turab al'mentaqa". I heard that and hoped he follows him the next day. To the people of the South Sfeir tops the list of traitors and should be executed.
Cheers | I love this logic, really !
So now, if I think that Hezbollah is doing something wrong and I criticize it, this means that I'm criticizing the shiites ?
Does this mean that I'm a sectarian piece of **** because I'm not ok with Hezbollah's actions ?
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Originally Posted by The Jade I love this logic, really !
So now, if I think that Hezbollah is doing something wrong and I criticize it, this means that I'm criticizing the shiites ?
Does this mean that I'm a sectarian piece of **** because I'm not ok with Hezbollah's actions ?
Cheers back at you | Criticizing is something, defaming because of your hate is something else. We know the difference between criticism and hateful attacks. Sfeir hates our guts, if he could bury us all alive he wouldn't hesitate.
Yes, any attack on HA is an attack on the Shiaa especially those of South Lebanon.
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Originally Posted by Youchka All what Saad has been offering so far in favor of Saudi is land, money, stability of country, well being of people...... Thus yes he is working for the benefit of saudi. When he offers his son as martyr, then, I would ay, no way is he doing it for the sake of Saudi or any other nation for that matter.
Hassan Nasrallah has offered his son, if you are telling me that he did so for Iran's benefit, and if you tell me rthat the thousands of parents in the South are offering their children martyrs and that for the sake of Iran, sorry but I do not buy it. | sorry but Hassan Nasralah follows and belongs to an ideology and this ideology is beyond the Lebanese border...
yes Nasrallh lost a son for his cause.. Nasrallah got a cause and he truly believe in it and he is willing to die for it!
but his cause is religious and not Lebanese one... Nasrallah will do what in the interest for the Islamic Republic and not the interest of the Lebanese Republic..
the people of the south or the chia in Lebanon are being brainwashed and armynized by this strong Iranian ideology!
imaging if the Lebanese sunnist got a religious ideology party strong as Hezbollah fully equipped with arms would you still call this country Lebanon?
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I Wonder if Sfeir Had ever read this: الإرشاد الرسولي التابع للسينودس الفصل الأول العلاقات مع مؤمني الديانات التوحيديّة ولاسيّما المسلمين
تحرص الكنيسة على تعزيز الوحدة والمحبّة بين الناس وبين الشعوب. فإنّه "من العبث أن نبتهل إلى الله، أبي الناس جميعًا، إن نحن أغفلنا التصرُّف الأخويَّ تُجاه بعض الناس المخلوقين على صورة الله" (المجمع الفاتيكاني الثاني، بيان في علاقات الكنيسة بالأديان غير المسيحيّة، رقم 5) فإنّنا كلّنا معًا نكوّن الأمّةَ البشريّةَ الواحدة نفسَها، التي أسكنها الله "على وجه الأرض كلّها" (أع 26:17؛ را: تك 26:1-30)؛ ويريد الربّ أن يقود الناس "إلى معرفة الحق" ( 1 تي 4:2)، ويحقّق ما في نفوسهم من عطش إلى السعادة الأبديّة (را: مز 63 [62]:2).
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من أجل الحوار البنّاء والاعتراف المتبادَل، وعلى الرغم من التباينات الهامّة بين الأديان، من الأهميّة بمكان أن يُصار، أوّلاً وقبل أيّ أمرٍ آخر، إلى تمييز ما يجمع اللبنانيّين في شعبٍ واحد، في أخوّةٍ واحدةٍ تتجلّى كلَّ يوم، ولاسيّما في العيش معًا. بالإضافة إلى ذلك، يعدّ المسيحيّون والمسلمون بعضُهم بعضًا شركاء في بناء البلد؛ فتتألّق أكثر فأكثر في الأذهان الرغبةُ في تعزيز التفاهم والتعاون في ما بينهم. وتنشأ في الواقع هيئات التقاء في سبيل مزيد من التعارف المتبادل العميق رغبةً في خدمة البلد معًا. الفصل الخامس
الحوار الحقيقي
يرتكزُ الحوارُ الحقيقي بينَ المؤمنين، أتباع الاديان التوحيديّة الكبرى، على الاحترام المتبادَل. ويهدفُ إلى العمل معًا، من أجل جميع الناس، على حماية وتنميةِ العدالة الاجتماعيّة، والقِيم الأخلاقيّة، والسلام والحريَّة (المجمع المسكوني الفاتيكاني الثاني، بيان: علاقات الكنيسة بالأديان غير المسيحيّة، رقم 3). وهذه المهمّة المشتركة ضروريةٌ، بشكل خاص، لِلُّبنانيّين المدعوّين إلى المبادرة لمسامحةِ بعضِهم البعضَ الآخر، وإخمادِ خلافاتِهم وعداواتِهم، وتبديلِ ذِهنيَّاتهم، حتى ينمو التآخي، ويزيدَ التضامنُ في إعادة بناء مجتمعٍ يتحوّل شيئًا فشيئًا إلى تعايش أفضل (سينودس الأساقفة: الجمعيّة الخاصّة من أجل لبنان، الخطوط العريضة، رقم 3).
تتطّلب المشاركةُ في تغيير العالم، في بادئ الأمر، توبةَ القلب، والنضالَ في سبيل العدالة، بروح المحبّة والأُخوّة. ويرى المسيحيّون في ذلك عنصرًا جوهريًا من عناصر التعاليم الانجيليّة. لأن الناس يعرفونهم من أعمالهم الصالحة، التي يعملونها. وعلى الكنيسةِ أَن تشترك بلا انقطاع في الدفاع عن كرامة الانسان، "الذي هو محور المجتمع". وبفضل تعاليمِ الكنيسة، يكتشف الانسان حقيقةَ هويتّه (يوحنا بولس الثاني، رسالة عامّة: السنة المئة، رقم 54 : AAS 83 (1991), p. 860). فإلى الكنيسة تتوجّه الشعوبُ بثقة كبيرة، لا سيما في المراحل الحاسمة من تاريخها، لِتطلبَ منها النصحَ والدعم والمساندة.
"فليهتمَّ الذين آمنوا بالله للقيام بالأعمال الصالحة" (تيطس 3،8). فَمِنَ الآن وصاعدًا، يتوجّب على جميع الجماعات الروحيّة، والعائلات الفكريّة، القائمةِ في لبنان، أن تنتهجَ طريقًا أكثرَ تضامنًا، لأنها كلَّها فوّضت أمرها لله، وهي تعبده وتسعى إلى خدمته (يوحنا بولس الثاني، نداء الى جميع المسلمين من أجل لبنان (7 أيلول سنة 1989) : La Documentation Catholique 86 (1989), p. 869).
وعليها أن تُعبّر، عمليًّا عن تضامنها، بالقيام بمبادرات الصداقة والتفاهم، من غير تفريط، لا بكرامة الأشخاص، ولا بحريّة الضمير، ولا بحريّة الممارسة الدينيّة، لأنها كلّها عناصر جوهريّة، تشكّل الصالح العام.
ثانيًا. العيش المشترك
من الضروريّ، بشكل خاصّ، تكثيفُ التعاون بين المسيحيّين والمسلمين في كلّ المجالات المتوفّرة لديهم، على أن يتمّ ذلك بتجرّد، أي من أجل الصالح العام، لا من أجل مصلحةِ أشخاصٍ مُعيّنين، ولا من أجل مصلحةِ طائفةٍ ما، ولا من أجل الحصولِ على مزيد من الاعتبارِ والنفوذ في المجتمع. إن موقفَهم المشترك من المبادئ الأخلاقيّة، وتوقَهم إلى إعداد مستقبل أفضل، يجعلانهم مسؤولين معًا عن تشييد المجتمع الراهن، وبناءِ عالم الغد. وبذلك يُدافعون عن القيم الاخلاقيّة، والعدالةِ الاجتماعيّة، والسلام، والحرية، ويُعزِّزون مكانتها. ويحمون الحياة والعيلة، ويرفعون قدرها (توصية رقم 93). ومن شأن هذا العمل المشترك، أن يُعيد إلى اللبنانيّين جميعِهم، الثقةَ بإخوتهم وبمستقبلهم، لأنه يؤهِّلهم للانفتاح على أفضل ما في الحداثة من قِيَم.
ليس الحوار الاسلامي-المسيحي حوارًا بين مثقَّفين، لأنَّه يهدف، أولاً إلى تشجيعِ المسيحيّين والمسلمين على العيش معًا، في رحابةِ فكر وروحِ تعاون. فَمِنْ دونهِما لا يستطيع أحدٌ أن يضمن لذاته الانشراح، المبنيَّ على حريّة الاختيار، حسبما تُمليه عليه استقامةُ ضميره. ومتى تمرّس اللبنانيّون على معرفة بعضهم البعضَ بشكل أفضل، وعلى القبول الكاملِ بالتعدُّديّة، جهّزوا أنفسهم بكل الشروط الضرورية لإقامة الحوار الحقيقي، وتوفير الاحترام للأفراد، والعائلات، والجماعات الروحيّة. وللمدارس والمؤسّسات التربوية المختلفةِ مَهمَّةٌ جوهريّة في هذا المضمار. لأن التدريب على الحياة الجماعية، منذ الطفولة، يجعل الأولاد متنبِّهين بعضَهم لبعض، ويُحثّهم على معالجة نزاعاتهم، إذا ما حدثت، بشكل سلميّ.
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ان الالتزام بالسلامِ من قبل جميع الناس، أصحابِ الإرادة الطيبة، كفيلٌ بإيصال اللبنانيّين إلى مصالحة نهائيّة في ما بينهم، وفي ما بين مختلفِ الجماعات البشريّة في الوطن. المصالحةُ تبعث الرجاء بمستقبلٍ جديدٍ للبنان.
لقد انتهتِ الحرب. ويجب أن تصير المصالحة سبيلاً إلى سِلمٍ وطيد يُقام بين جميع اللبنانيّين. فَلتكنْ خاتمةُ الحرب بالسلاح خاتمةً للحرب بين الامتيازات الفئوية المختلفة، وخاتمةً للنزاعات بين المصالح الشخصيّة، التي تصبح أكثر خطورة، لأنَّها قابلة أن تتحوّل إلى تقاتل الجميع ضدّ الجميع.
وليتذكَّرْ الجميعُ أنَّ لا أحدَ ينال بالحرب شيئًا يُجديه. يخرج الجميع من الحرب مصابين بالجراح. لأن جرحَ الأخ هو أيضًا ودائمًا جرحٌ لسائر مواطنيه. في إطار السِلمِ والمصالحة فقط، يتوفّر لكلّ لبنانيّ في وطنه موقعٌ حقيقي ومقبول، وتتوفّرُ الحلولُ لكلِّ الأزمات، الناشئة بين الأفراد والجماعات، داخل الأمّة. | | | | | The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Jean For This Useful Post: | |
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Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi sorry but Hassan Nasralah follows and belongs to an ideology and this ideology is beyond the Lebanese border...
yes Nasrallh lost a son for his cause.. Nasrallah got a cause and he truly believe in it and he is willing to die for it!
but his cause is religious and not Lebanese one... Nasrallah will do what in the interest for the Islamic Republic and not the interest of the Lebanese Republic.. | The missionaries from Jabal Amel gave the Shiaa ideology to Iran sweets, it didn't happen the other way round. In other words, and to spoon-feed you, we're the teachers they're the students.
It so happens that our religion dictates that we protect the land of Jabal Amel and live on it with dignity. That land happens to be Lebanese and 'ours'. What we believe as Shiaa is no one's business, we're not going to become blasphemous for your likes to be happy. fekko 3an sama rabbna ba2a. Quote: |
the people of the south or the chia in Lebanon are being brainwashed and armynized by this strong Iranian ideology!
| Those poor simple Shiaa of the south. Quote: |
imaging if the Lebanese sunnist got a religious ideology party strong as Hezbollah fully equipped with arms would you still call this country Lebanon?
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