War on Gaza - Open discussion

[leb-wi-noss]

Originally Posted by kappa273

hahahahahaha...

and u think Syria left because of the demonstrations?
so there is no place for changing international politics.. and there is no place for what happened in 1989-1990.. and in your opinion, there is no way Syria will come back in Lebanon if allowed by the same countries which ordered it out, meaning USA, France, .....

if you think demonstrations made Syria leave, and according to you the syrian regime is such an abominable savage regime, why didn't they at make a stand before leaving? why didn't they raise the question that the government and the parliament actually want the syrians to stay, the same way they were demanding for 15 years under Hariri control?

don't fool yourself that the demonstrations were anything but a nice folkloric and highly marketable event...

kappa

Let's get real here. Can you show me one proof of how did you kick the Syrians out? Can you name a single Syrian soldier killed by your movement, or a name of a Martyr from your movement.
We all shouldn't fool ourselves!

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

This is what you should call jumping and answering a post by picking on line of it and ignoring the simple flow of the discussion happening.
Try to read the original post that I replied to and see if you can understand it.

A side note: The Palestinians brought Arafat back to Ramallah without using weapons.

I asked a very simple question that needs a very simple answer:"Yes" or "no".

Bedoun Laff W Dawaran...Can you provide this answer please?

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

Let's get real here. Can you show me one proof of how did you kick the Syrians out? Can you name a single Syrian soldier killed by your movement, or a name of a Martyr from your movement.
We all shouldn't fool ourselves!

Le comble des combles!

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

We got our independence without a war. We kicked the Syrians out with demonstrations.
It can happen!

leb, I might agree on small portions of the logic spread across few of your replies above, but you are heavily mixing things here.. If you think you can preach out the neck-low-chicken approach you exercised for 30 years visavi the Syrians, as a universal solution to occupation, you're mistaking. Had your presumed leaders, in the form of Hariri, Jumblat and others, had the guts to join hands with Aoun in Liberation war against the Syrians, you could have got rid of them, much earlier.

If you haven't noticed yet, demonstrations alone do not help much against certain oppressors, the Tibetans are a living example of this and so are the Palestinians, having gone through different intifada models and demos druing the past 60 years or so.

[tae]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

A side note: The Palestinians brought Arafat back to Ramallah without using weapons.

Perez brought him to Ramallah, yes it was without using weapons .. lashou el weapons aslan w dodd meen?

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

This is what you should call jumping and answering a post by picking on line of it and ignoring the simple flow of the discussion happening.
Try to read the original post that I replied to and see if you can understand it.

A side note: The Palestinians brought Arafat back to Ramallah without using weapons.

your knowledge of history is not correct... Arafat fought the israelis for more than 30 years...

let me give some easier examples:
-how did the Americans liberate their country?
-how did the French get the Germans out?
-how did the Algerians get the French out?
-how did the Lebanese free the South?

and to be fair and since your knowledge of history is not that impressive, i would give you few examples of peaceful liberation and independence:
-Lebanon from the French
-India and most of African colonies from the British Raj and control

but mind you, those were different times and different conditions... France never considered Lebanon a part of France and likewise, India was solely a british colony...

also some more information about Algeria and France.. since 1830, the date of invasion of Algeria, the French tried to integrate Algeria into Greater France and that's why they actually encouraged a lot of European to move into Algeria....

you can keep peacefully liberate Palestine or at least Palestine of 1967 and we'll see you in few centuries from now to see how much you accomplished..

kappa

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

Let's get real here. Can you show me one proof of how did you kick the Syrians out? Can you name a single Syrian soldier killed by your movement, or a name of a Martyr from your movement.
We all shouldn't fool ourselves!

what happened in 1989-1990? what about the many current and parties who fought the syrians in the past?
how did all these people die?

and since you think the Syrians RAN AWAY under the pressure of demonstrations, why are people talking about a Syrio-American deal at the expense of Lebanon leading to syrian control of Lebanon?

couldn't the peaceful demonstrators reconvene again and kick the 40,000 syrian troops by some slogans and songs?

kappa

[tae]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

We got our independence without a war. We kicked the Syrians out with demonstrations.
It can happen!

it's not the demonstrations what made them leave, it is the 1559 UN resolution

[tae]

Originally Posted by leb-wi-noss

Let's get real here. Can you show me one proof of how did you kick the Syrians out? Can you name a single Syrian soldier killed by your movement, or a name of a Martyr from your movement.
We all shouldn't fool ourselves!

The syrians left Lebanon because of the UN 1559 resolution, if you're trying to say that they were kicked out without the implication of force, you're wrong.
You know what happens to non-zionist countries that don't comply to the UN resolutions, especially when the USA and its army is the primary supporter of this resolution.
I mean to say here that they left Lebanon by force, they saw what happened to saddam and decided not to face the american army.

[tae]

Originally Posted by kappa273

what happened in 1989-1990? what about the many current and parties who fought the syrians in the past?
how did all these people die?

and since you think the Syrians RAN AWAY under the pressure of demonstrations, why are people talking about a Syrio-American deal at the expense of Lebanon leading to syrian control of Lebanon?

couldn't the peaceful demonstrators reconvene again and kick the 40,000 syrian troops by some slogans and songs?

kappa

we have been trying demonstrtions, slogans and songs against israel since 1948, but it didn't work, ma3 enno el aghaneh bi jannino.