War on Gaza - Open discussion

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by centrist

oil, oil, oil?????? heheheheeh, because iran or syria, or ksa, or russia will develop an alternative for oil??? wake up hanna. if there is someone who will find an alternaitve will most probably be the US or EC.... and the people who will develop such an energy will most probably be jewish and certainly not iranian, syrian, saoudian, or egyptian. so do not worry about the tic tac tic tac of the oil finishing.

u guys still looking one way
who said that the alternative will be developed by syria or iran?????

these horny kings and their fulthy miney will dry and so the middle east will not be important to usa
therefore israel loses its strategic importance and will be left to fend for itself.
but knowing u guys and how much u r are banking on israel winning, u will argue otherwise LOL

yalla if not during our life time, than during our kids or grankids the end of israel will be written.

middle will be cleansed fdorm israel one way or the other NO MATTER WHAT THE PRICE EVEN IF NUCLEAR.........

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by centrist

here is it. So hanna can confirm...











1-honor : to hamas maybe but definetly not to the palestinian
2-moral : dont be a joke hanna
3-way of life : nice way of life... i am jealous
4- pride : i really dont see any pride
5-decency : ??????????????
6- survival. : I totally agree with you... now the toughest is to come.

u is disputing the destruction power of israel LOL
ye3ni u guys all u care is about shedding crocodile tears for these palestinians
u head is so up isarel as...s that all u c is how to be comfort and safe and sound.

these people are hurting and no doubt, but as i told you they WILL STILL VOTE FOR HAMAS EVEN MORE AND WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THE LIKES OF

drunken king
3amell president
and apologist to israel like you....

also u have not answered me, i said watch your IDOLS the anglo saxon and the JEWS and see how thei lived theor history

1-braveheart
2-the patriots
3-the alamo ( this one usa history if u forget, ask rice )
4-massya jewish
5-samson al jabbar ( total estruction)

than come and shed croc tears over few houses or even towns.
we have had the experience with your likes in lebanon in 06, all they care is about settling scores and inflicting pain and than i told u so,
well kids, u r in the minority whether in lebanon or in palestine or in the greater middle east or the world.

all ur excuses and reasoning is just a way to try to satisfy and JUSTIFY the road u chose, the road of cowardice , apologists or spokesman for the israelis killing machine or at best for the azlam israel propganda machine ( egypt, saud, etc....).
next i will not be surprised in arguing how effective was israel in avoiding CIVIL CASUALITIES and how israel took time and care to reduce the civilain death.

yalla tell me , what do u think about that.
did isarel took care ot reduce casualties and how humane were they?
i am waiting.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by tagidli

I think that centrist just wanted to show how those high words means nothing to the simple people and put the pics in a bitter cynical way and not for malicious joy
BTW - In the beginning of this thread some people here sent us back to the "soap manufactures" so please take a look in the mirror first

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still milking some of your storis huh,
but palestinians kids dying is acceptable , tfehhhhhhhh
for me one palestinians death is worth more than a whole israeli town.
ur dead people are in no way better than our dead people.

no one beats the jewish in the milking of kids death and desctruction
for over 50 years they ahve been milking and shaming anyone about their holocaust, while doing exactly the smae to the palestinians.
how funny that a jew will cry years over a death in germany, while he will be boasting of how they are killing so called terrorists kids in palestine.

what is pissing some of you is the fcat that the arabs and the palestinians are getting better at your game and beating you to it.

you guyshave reached your crest in the 70s, from now on it is downhill for you and your propaganda machine.
time is eroding the innocent docile pix of israel
more and more westeneers are seeing israel for waht it is, a cancer in its area and an aberration among nations.

u guys are living on usa borrowed time and deep down u all know that. THAT IS WHY VERY FEW OF U AGREES TO RENOUNCE THEIR ORIGINAL CITIZENSHIP AND KEEP THEM.
SINCE israel u claim is your final destination, why not tear that passportLOL
as for the killing, go ahead we have seen the gloting in mnay of you and your supporters and even among the al 3arab al mousa7yanna....
he who laugh last laughs the most.....
and the struggle continues and the oil is tick tack

less oil less israel
no oil no israel
live with that.

[Frisbeetarian]

However, dont you think it is now time to assess whether this is really affecting the state of Israel or not?

I think that we are actually starting to have an impact. You dont get immediate results. I think we need to wait and be patient, the more the Israeli army fails to procure objectives, the less the Israelis will trust it. The IDF is now on a counter attack, trying to deflect the future outcome of these failed objectives. I just wished our casualties were less...but your facing a ferocious enemy with no regards to human life...so if thats what we have to endure, thats what we have to endure.

A first way to do so is to have unbiased numbers on the Israelis who fled the land after 2006, and those who came to the land after 2006. One has to assess the ground results of the war, and not the hypothetical result. I do not here specifically target 2006, it is a mere example.

Agreed.

Hamas, HA and all other groups must assess if, practically, Israel took a blow or not. The resignation of a prime minister or defense minister is a mere detail. Lets see the population, are they leaving Israel or are more people coming back to Israel?

They took a blow, their confession that they lost is by itself a huge blow to the entire structure of the Israeli army. You need to look into why these scandals concerning the prime minister were covered after the results of the war.

Hypothetically, it is probably true that the Israelis care too much about their military image, and it is this image that sustains them. But, are these skirmishes that resistance groups have been doing in the past years, really affecting the state of Israel?

It is more than that. We lebanese (assuming that u are lebanese) tend to disregard the importance of our army (probably because it does not have strong authority) because of its weakness and with that fail to understand the standing of the army in Israel. It is the beating heart of Israeli society. Since the nations inceptions, the army has been the backbone of many aspects of life, from social to security to economy to prosperity. Social in the sense that Israelis most of the time identify themselves with their army boasting improvement upon improvement upon their armada and claiming to have one of the worlds finest and strongest. Social in the sense that men and women have equal standing in the army and both play important roles. Economically, well Israels biggest revenues come from selling armaments. Once we establish that the weapons are futile and can be easily broken down, i think ull see it affect its sales. Plus Israel:By Richard H. Curtiss

Former U.S. Foreign Service Officer
The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs

For many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.

Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. They were compiled by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone. Although Congress authorizes America's foreign aid total, the fact that more than a third of it goes to a country smaller in both area and population than Hong Kong probably never has been mentioned on the floor of the Senate or House. Yet it's been going on for more than a generation.

Probably the only members of Congress who even suspect the full total of U.S. funds received by Israel each year are the privileged few committee members who actually mark it up. And almost all members of the concerned committees are Jewish, have taken huge campaign donations orchestrated by Israel's Washington, DC lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), or both. These congressional committee members are paid to act, not talk. So they do and they don't.

The same applies to the president, the secretary of state, and the foreign aid administrator. They all submit a budget that includes aid for Israel, which Congress approves, or increases, but never cuts. But no one in the executive branch mentions that of the few remaining U.S. aid recipients worldwide, all of the others are developing nations which either make their military bases available to the U.S., are key members of international alliances in which the U.S. participates, or have suffered some crippling blow of nature to their abilities to feed their people such as earthquakes, floods or droughts.

Israel, whose troubles arise solely from its unwillingness to give back land it seized in the 1967 war in return for peace with its neighbors, does not fit those criteria. In fact, Israel's 1995 per capita gross domestic product was $15,800. That put it below Britain at $19,500 and Italy at $18,700 and just above Ireland at $15,400 and Spain at $14,300.

All four of those European countries have contributed a very large share of immigrants to the U.S., yet none has organized an ethnic group to lobby for U.S. foreign aid. Instead, all four send funds and volunteers to do economic development and emergency relief work in other less fortunate parts of the world.

The lobby that Israel and its supporters have built in the United States to make all this aid happen, and to ban discussion of it from the national dialogue, goes far beyond AIPAC, with its $15 million budget, its 150 employees, and its five or six registered lobbyists who manage to visit every member of Congress individually once or twice a year.

AIPAC, in turn, can draw upon the resources of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, a roof group set up solely to coordinate the efforts of some 52 national Jewish organizations on behalf of Israel.

Among them are Hadassah, the Zionist women’s organization, which organizes a steady stream of American Jewish visitors to Israel; the American Jewish Congress, which mobilizes support for Israel among members of the traditionally left-of-center Jewish mainstream; and the American Jewish Committee, which plays the same role within the growing middle-of-the-road and right-of-center Jewish community. The American Jewish Committee also publishes Commentary, one of the Israel lobby’s principal national publications.

Perhaps the most controversial of these groups is B’nai B’rith’s Anti-Defamation League. Its original highly commendable purpose was to protect the civil rights of American Jews. Over the past generation, however, the ADL has regressed into a conspiratorial and, with a $45 million budget, extremely well funded hate group.

In the 1980s, during the tenure of chairman Seymour Reich, who went on to become chairman of the Conference of Presidents, ADL was found to have circulated two annual fund-raising letters warning Jewish parents against allegedly negative influences on their children arising from the increasing Arab presence on American university campuses.

More recently, FBI raids on ADL’s Los Angeles and San Francisco offices revealed that an ADL operative had purchased files stolen from the San Francisco police department that a court had ordered destroyed because they violated the civil rights of the individuals on whom they had been compiled. ADL, it was shown, had added the illegally prepared and illegally obtained material to its own secret files, compiled by planting informants among Arab-American, African-American, anti-Apartheid and peace and justice groups.

The ADL infiltrators took notes of the names and remarks of speakers and members of audiences at programs organized by such groups. ADL agents even recorded the license plates of persons attending such programs and then suborned corrupt motor vehicles department employees or renegade police officers to identify the owners.

Although one of the principal offenders fled the United States to escape prosecution, no significant penalties were assessed. ADL’s Northern California office was ordered to comply with requests by persons upon whom dossiers had been prepared to see their own files, but no one went to jail and as yet no one has paid fines.

Not surprisingly, a defecting employee revealed in an article he published in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that AIPAC, too, has such “enemies” files. They are compiled for use by pro-Israel journalists like Steven Emerson and other so-called “Terrorism experts,” and also by professional, academic or journalistic rivals of the persons described for use in blacklisting, defaming, or denouncing them. What is never revealed is that AIPAC’s “opposition research“ department, under the supervision of Michael Lewis, son of famed Princeton University Orientalist Bernard Lewis, is the source of this defamatory material.

But this is not AIPAC’s most controversial activity. In the 1970s, when Congress put a cap on the amount its members could earn from speakers’ fees and book royalties over and above their salaries, it halted AIPAC’s most effective ways of paying off members for voting according to AIPAC recommendations. Members of AIPAC’s national board of directors solved the problem by returning to their home states and creating political action committees (PACs).

Most special interests have PACs, as do many major corporations, labor unions, trade associations and public-interest groups. But the pro-Israel groups went wild. To date some 126 pro-Israel PACs have been registered, and no fewer than 50 have been active in every national election over the past generation.

An individual voter can give up to $2,000 to a candidate in an election cycle, and a PAC can give a candidate up to $10,000. However, a single special interest with 50 PACs can give a candidate who is facing a tough opponent, and who has voted according to its recommendations, up to half a million dollars. That’s enough to buy all the television time needed to get elected in most parts of the country.

Even candidates who don’t need this kind of money certainly don’t want it to become available to a rival from their own party in a primary election, or to an opponent from the opposing party in a general election. As a result, all but a handful of the 535 members of the Senate and House vote as AIPAC instructs when it comes to aid to Israel, or other aspects of U.S. Middle East policy.

There is something else very special about AIPAC’s network of political action committees. Nearly all have deceptive names. Who could possibly know that the Delaware Valley Good Government Association in Philadelphia, San Franciscans for Good Government in California, Cactus PAC in Arizona, Beaver PAC in Wisconsin, and even Icepac in New York are really pro-Israel PACs under deep cover?

Hiding AIPAC’s Tracks

In fact, the congress members know it when they list the contributions they receive on the campaign statements they have to prepare for the Federal Election Commission. But their constituents don’t know this when they read these statements. So just as no other special interest can put so much “hard money” into any candidate’s election campaign as can the Israel lobby, no other special interest has gone to such elaborate lengths to hide its tracks.
Although AIPAC, Washington’s most feared special-interest lobby, can hide how it uses both carrots and sticks to bribe or intimidate members of Congress, it can’t hide all of the results.

Anyone can ask one of their representatives in Congress for a chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, that shows Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996. People in the national capital area also can visit the library of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rosslyn, Virginia, and obtain the same information, plus charts showing how much foreign aid the U.S. has given other countries as well.

Visitors will learn that in precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.

According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.

Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.

Shocking Comparisons

These comparisons already seem shocking, but they are far from the whole truth. Using reports compiled by Clyde Mark of the Congressional Research Service and other sources, freelance writer Frank Collins tallied for the Washington Report all of the extra items for Israel buried in the budgets of the Pentagon and other federal agencies in fiscal year 1993.Washington Report news editor Shawn Twing did the same thing for fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

They uncovered $1.271 billion in extras in FY 1993, $355.3 million in FY 1996 and $525.8 million in FY 1997. These represent an average increase of 12.2 percent over the officially recorded foreign aid totals for the same fiscal years, and they probably are not complete. It’s reasonable to assume, therefore, that a similar 12.2 percent hidden increase has prevailed over all of the years Israel has received aid.

As of Oct. 31, 1997 Israel will have received $3.05 billion in U.S. foreign aid for fiscal year 1997 and $3.08 billion in foreign aid for fiscal year 1998. Adding the 1997 and 1998 totals to those of previous years since 1949 yields a total of $74,157,600,000 in foreign aid grants and loans. Assuming that the actual totals from other budgets average 12.2 percent of that amount, that brings the grand total to $83,204,827,200.

But that’s not quite all. Receiving its annual foreign aid appropriation during the first month of the fiscal year, instead of in quarterly installments as do other recipients, is just another special privilege Congress has voted for Israel. It enables Israel to invest the money in U.S. Treasury notes. That means that the U.S., which has to borrow the money it gives to Israel, pays interest on the money it has granted to Israel in advance, while at the same time Israel is collecting interest on the money.

That interest to Israel from advance payments adds another $1.650 billion to the total, making it $84,854,827,200.That’s the number you should write down for total aid to Israel. And that’s $14,346 each for each man, woman and child in Israel.

It’s worth noting that that figure does not include U.S. government loan guarantees to Israel, of which Israel has drawn $9.8 billion to date. They greatly reduce the interest rate the Israeli government pays on commercial loans, and they place additional burdens on U.S. taxpayers, especially if the Israeli government should default on any of them. But since neither the savings to Israel nor the costs to U.S. taxpayers can be accurately quantified, they are excluded from consideration here.

Further, friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.

Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal.

But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.

Israel enjoys other privileges. While most countries receiving U.S. military aid funds are expected to use them for U.S. arms, ammunition and training, Israel can spend part of these funds on weapons made by Israeli manufacturers.

Also, when it spends its U.S. military aid money on U.S. products, Israel frequently requires the U.S. vendor to buy components or materials from Israeli manufacturers. Thus, though Israeli politicians say that their own manufacturers and exporters are making them progressively less dependent upon U.S. aid, in fact those Israeli manufacturers and exporters are heavily subsidized by U.S. aid.

Although it’s beyond the parameters of this study, it’s worth mentioning that Israel also receives foreign aid from some other countries. After the United States, the principal donor of both economic and military aid to Israel is Germany.

By far the largest component of German aid has been in the form of restitution payments to victims of Nazi atrocities. But there also has been extensive German military assistance to Israel during and since the Gulf war, and a variety of German educational and research grants go to Israeli institutions. The total of German assistance in all of these categories to the Israeli government, Israeli individuals and Israeli private institutions has been some $31 billion or $5,345 per capita, bringing the per capita total of U.S. and German assistance combined to almost $20,000 per Israeli.

Since very little public money is spent on the more than 20 percent of Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian, the actual per capita benefits received by Israel’s Jewish citizens would be considerably higher.

True Cost to U.S. Taxpayers

Generous as it is, what Israelis actually got in U.S. aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S. taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.
In an article in the Washington Report for December 1991/January 1992, Frank Collins estimated the costs of this interest, based upon prevailing interest rates for every year since 1949. I have updated this by applying a very conservative 5 percent interest rate for subsequent years, and confined the amount upon which the interest is calculated to grants, not loans or loan guarantees.

On this basis the $84.8 billion in grants, loans and commodities Israel has received from the U.S. since 1949 cost the U.S. an additional $49,936,880,000 in interest.

There are many other costs of Israel to U.S. taxpayers, such as most or all of the $45.6 billion in U.S. foreign aid to Egypt since Egypt made peace with Israel in 1979 (compared to $4.2 billion in U.S. aid to Egypt for the preceding 26 years). U.S. foreign aid to Egypt, which is pegged at two-thirds of U.S. foreign aid to Israel, averages $2.2 billion per year.

There also have been immense political and military costs to the U.S. for its consistent support of Israel during Israel’s half-century of disputes with the Palestinians and all of its Arab neighbors. In addition, there have been the approximately $10 billion in U.S. loan guarantees and perhaps $20 billion in tax-exempt contributions made to Israel by American Jews in the nearly half-century since Israel was created.

Even excluding all of these extra costs, America’s $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli.

It would be interesting to know how many of those American taxpayers believe they and their families have received as much from the U.S. Treasury as has everyone who has chosen to become a citizen of Israel. But it’s a question that will never occur to the American public because, so long as America’s mainstream media, Congress and president maintain their pact of silence, few Americans will ever know the true cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers.

Security, well we already discussed that.

We have been preparing for decades, we have only seen the results 2 years ago, i think we need to give the process more time. Rome wasn't built in day.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by centrist

Now that arabs are talking about the donation in $$$$$$.. lets all seat and watch how the inter palestinians fights will start. obviously the $$$$ will be given to Fatah as it is the sole represantant of the Palestinians. Hamas will be able to provide only misery to the palestinians of gaza... gazan will wake up and ask for help from Fatah. Because palestinians in gaza want peace and want to switch from the culture of death provided by hamas to the culture of life provided by fatah.

but hamas will start fighting fatah and kill more fatah supporter in Gaza, fatah will respond and take revenge in the west bank angainst hamas. money wont be deblocked and Israel will be seating and laughing at both of them. a classical and repeated scenario..... untill an idiot from hamas fire a rocket, and the tzahal invade again gaza, bring gaza 20years behind (total of 40). international comunity will let a go for 2 weeks then react. Tzahal withdraw with minor casualties but of course hamas will declare victory... and so on......

Funny those hamas. it is unbeleivable how they struggle to be beaten

more like an idiot in the isareli zombi govt decided to close the crossinh again and than u guys will be jumping up and down on the rockets whizzing from hamas.
the beauty is the isareli people who were collected form all over the world from many mnay poor and destitute backgrounds now are used to good life.
well u should have hear that proverb from IMAMO ALI

takhawsahou fa inna al nou3amm la tadoumm..
and to israel people, hard times will catch up with you
kill kill as u want
drink blood if u wish
the palestinians and the hamas or more likely the resistance will always be there and around.

isarel is living on borrowed times like these filthy drunken kings and sickos presidents.

i still waiting for your answer on how it is an honor for a jew davod to face goliath or samson, but not honor foe the arabs to face u now??????????.

u will have collaborators big and small, but u know your time is ticking..

tick tack
oil will finish, pray is lasts for a few more decades as a strategic commodity.

TICK TACK
nuke or no nuke, the isareli will go back where they come from.
i only worry about these falasha and some russinas and now indians who have no place to go back to. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[centrist]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

more like an idiot in the isareli zombi govt decided to close the crossinh again and than u guys will be jumping up and down on the rockets whizzing from hamas.
the beauty is the isareli people who were collected form all over the world from many mnay poor and destitute backgrounds now are used to good life.
well u should have hear that proverb from IMAMO ALI

takhawsahou fa inna al nou3amm la tadoumm..
and to israel people, hard times will catch up with you
kill kill as u want
drink blood if u wish
the palestinians and the hamas or more likely the resistance will always be there and around.

isarel is living on borrowed times like these filthy drunken kings and sickos presidents.

i still waiting for your answer on how it is an honor for a jew davod to face goliath or samson, but not honor foe the arabs to face u now??????????.

u will have collaborators big and small, but u know your time is ticking..

tick tack
oil will finish, pray is lasts for a few more decades as a strategic commodity.

TICK TACK
nuke or no nuke, the isareli will go back where they come from.
i only worry about these falasha and some russinas and now indians who have no place to go back to. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

heheheheh!!!! i think before the final tik tak, all the arabs are gonna be back in their tents with there camel including the entourage of israel with the exception of Lebanon. Be sure that Israel will be the last country with Lebanon to fade. wake up hanna. wake up. when the arabs including the palestinian will go back to their roots and go back to milk their camel for living.... The true rebirth of Lebanon will happen. The Switzerland of the mediteranean countries with 1 modern and civilized neighbor: Israel. if you think the opposite, you probably live in a world of delusion. and remeber, as long as the US exist, Israel will exist. It is not US who control or lead Israel but Israel through its Jewish people in the US who control the white house and the rest of the states. this is a fact and reality and no one will be able to change it. maybe in 500 years but then again in 500 years if the US goes down, the whole world will.

[Frisbeetarian]

heheheheh!!!! i think before the final tik tak, all the arabs are gonna be back in their tents with there camel including the entourage of israel with the exception of Lebanon. Be sure that Israel will be the last country with Lebanon to fade. wake up hanna. wake up. when the arabs including the palestinian will go back to their roots and go back to milk their camel for living.... The true rebirth of Lebanon will happen. The Switzerland of the mediteranean countries with 1 modern and civilized neighbor: Israel. if you think the opposite, you probably live in a world of delusion. and remeber, as long as the US exist, Israel will exist. It is not US who control or lead Israel but Israel through its Jewish people in the US who control the white house and the rest of the states. this is a fact and reality and no one will be able to change it. maybe in 500 years but then again in 500 years if the US goes down, the whole world will.

How old are you?

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by centrist

heheheheh!!!! i think before the final tik tak, all the arabs are gonna be back in their tents with there camel including the entourage of israel with the exception of Lebanon. Be sure that Israel will be the last country with Lebanon to fade. wake up hanna. wake up. when the arabs including the palestinian will go back to their roots and go back to milk their camel for living.... The true rebirth of Lebanon will happen. The Switzerland of the mediteranean countries with 1 modern and civilized neighbor: Israel. if you think the opposite, you probably live in a world of delusion. and remeber, as long as the US exist, Israel will exist. It is not US who control or lead Israel but Israel through its Jewish people in the US who control the white house and the rest of the states. this is a fact and reality and no one will be able to change it. maybe in 500 years but then again in 500 years if the US goes down, the whole world will.

honestly everything you said is wrong and I have No intention of replying to this or any other posts by a few secterian racist members on this forum.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by centrist

heheheheh!!!! i think before the final tik tak, all the arabs are gonna be back in their tents with there camel including the entourage of israel with the exception of Lebanon. Be sure that Israel will be the last country with Lebanon to fade. wake up hanna. wake up. when the arabs including the palestinian will go back to their roots and go back to milk their camel for living.... The true rebirth of Lebanon will happen. The Switzerland of the mediteranean countries with 1 modern and civilized neighbor: Israel. if you think the opposite, you probably live in a world of delusion. and remeber, as long as the US exist, Israel will exist. It is not US who control or lead Israel but Israel through its Jewish people in the US who control the white house and the rest of the states. this is a fact and reality and no one will be able to change it. maybe in 500 years but then again in 500 years if the US goes down, the whole world will.

camels or no camels
tents or no tents
tick tack is on
and as i said let them use their worst ( nuclear if they wish), the arabs will survive and the jewish will parish all over the world.
huh u guys are like hams sounding now, how about that LOLLLLLL.
the similarities are so close between how isarel and hamas think.
that is what upsetting the jewish state, someone is beating them at their own game.

as for the usa, only decades ago the americans were abusing the jews like their european counterparts, all the jew did is to make the big baby bear distracted with oil and muslim fanatics.
when the oil finish, or stop being strategic let us see how israel controls usa LOLLLLLLLLLLL.

usa is a pragmatic and looks after its own interests, the most they will offer all the isralei a new location or a place in alaska and problem solved...
that time due to green houses, alaska might be tropical.

[UNITED_LEBANON]

Have we seen the end of the sunni-shia war in the region?

Surely the Gaza bloodshed has reminded all those people who fell for the Saudi propaganda just who the real enemy is.

Sunnis, Shias should be united in the same trench against the enemy.