War on Gaza - Open discussion

[Frisbeetarian]

This is another myth. The Israelis know that their army can be defeated, nobody believes its god. They did not wait for 2006 nor 2009 to know that.

These are not facts that have been applied on the ground. But a study on the nature of warfare on Israel. Especially when it hits home. Our losses over the decades were on our grounds, far from Israeli soil. They took advantage of that to wreak havoc on our cities while keeping internal stability in check.

The war with the guerrilla movements changed that. The rockets hit home and cause widespread dissidence. You can fact that with the populace relocated north of Israel in the war of 06.

The nature of their economy, and the basis of their integrity relies on them waging warfare far from the homeland. Because a standard of living had been attuned to, internal damage causes that standard to drop sharply. And with that standard, the mentality of war is pacified amongst general populace, which if confronted with war do not know how to respond. Ya3neh, the Israelis have been softened up, they arent the fighting farmers that came from war wrecked Europe. Fact that, with the reason why the U.S chose Iraq to fight its war, and not risk it usurping in on the homeland and causing panic amongst the populace.

These are all speculations and analysis. No one claims to give a definitive answer, you may have yours and i may have mine. Which i think, mine, is better based with an understanding of how Israel is built and how it sustains itself.

The Israelis know that their army can be defeated, nobody believes its god

Do not make petty of the argument without further examination. The length of ur reply indicates rash response. The victories which the Israeli army piled up, created an image of invincibility around it, and in so comforted the Israeli citizen.

But assuming what you are saying is right and since I do not have any knowledge in the actual numbers, can you back up your post by:
1- Providing the number of Israelis that left Israel for good (immigrated) from 2006-2009, using a good source and not a biased source?
2- Providing the number of Israelis that moved to Israel for good (immigrated) from 2006-2009, using a good source and not a biased source?

No sir i do not have this kind of information. My analysis is brought upon the examination on the Israeli way of life, i.e the prosperity, the boom, the war less internal state. Which all helped me to developed my present hypothesis, that with war hitting home and causing widespread damage, with the image of the army broken and shattered and the relaxing life that the Isralis had to endure for decades, they will have no reason to risk living in such areas.

I think this is mentality the resistance is marching upon. The more they resist, the more the Israeli fable gets broken down.

[centrist]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

So Hanna, please humor me and tell me exactly where the

1-honor
2-moral
3-way of life
4- pride
5-decency
6- survival.

in Gaza exists today?
You didn't get at all my point.

here is it. So hanna can confirm...











1-honor : to hamas maybe but definetly not to the palestinian
2-moral : dont be a joke hanna
3-way of life : nice way of life... i am jealous
4- pride : i really dont see any pride
5-decency : ??????????????
6- survival. : I totally agree with you... now the toughest is to come.

[centrist]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

again u guys need to read more and learn a bit form history

u bring your enemies one chip at a time and surviving sometimes is half the victory.

usa could have brought the soviets in a war in one day but at what cost, it just chipped bit by bit at it.

the time thing in here, war of attrition.
israel must be really hurting, because all its apologists arguing the otehr case round.

yalla , i hope u guys or your kids and descendnets shall not be that cocky about israel , when with time it will wither nad just emigrate back to oblivion form our area and land.

the OIL clock is ticking tick tack, the lesser the oil is important the lesser israel is likely to survive.

do not be sad, maybe they will still be around on our life time but definitely not on our grandkids own.

oil, oil, oil?????? heheheheeh, because iran or syria, or ksa, or russia will develop an alternative for oil??? wake up hanna. if there is someone who will find an alternaitve will most probably be the US or EC.... and the people who will develop such an energy will most probably be jewish and certainly not iranian, syrian, saoudian, or egyptian. so do not worry about the tic tac tic tac of the oil finishing.

[hhhh23]

Originally Posted by friendofzeus

These are not facts that have been applied on the ground. But a study on the nature of warfare on Israel. Especially when it hits home. Our losses over the decades were on our grounds, far from Israeli soil. They took advantage of that to wreak havoc on our cities while keeping internal stability in check.

The war with the guerrilla movements changed that. The rockets hit home and cause widespread dissidence. You can fact that with the populace relocated north of Israel in the war of 06.

The nature of their economy, and the basis of their integrity relies on them waging warfare far from the homeland. Because a standard of living had been attuned to, internal damage causes that standard to drop sharply. And with that standard, the mentality of war is pacified amongst general populace, which if confronted with war do not know how to respond. Ya3neh, the Israelis have been softened up, they arent the fighting farmers that came from war wrecked Europe. Fact that, with the reason why the U.S chose Iraq to fight its war, and not risk it usurping in on the homeland and causing panic amongst the populace.

These are all speculations and analysis. No one claims to give a definitive answer, you may have yours and i may have mine. Which i think, mine, is better based with an understanding of how Israel is built and how it sustains itself.





Do not make petty of the argument without further examination. The length of ur reply indicates rash response. The victories which the Israeli army piled up, created an image of invincibility around it, and in so comforted the Israeli citizen.



No sir i do not have this kind of information. My analysis is brought upon the examination on the Israeli way of life, i.e the prosperity, the boom, the war less internal state. Which all helped me to developed my present hypothesis, that with war hitting home and causing widespread damage, with the image of the army broken and shattered and the relaxing life that the Isralis had to endure for decades, they will have no reason to risk living in such areas.

I think this is mentality the resistance is marching upon. The more they resist, the more the Israeli fable gets broken down.

"The nature of their economy, and the basis of their integrity relies on them waging warfare far from the homeland." I do agree wtih your statement in many aspects.

Further, I have to admit that it is probably this logic that has been going on in the minds of the Israeli-resistance groups (such as Hamas, HA, etc), and which has kept them going.

However, dont you think it is now time to assess whether this is really affecting the state of Israel or not?

A first way to do so is to have unbiased numbers on the Israelis who fled the land after 2006, and those who came to the land after 2006. One has to assess the ground results of the war, and not the hypothetical result. I do not here specifically target 2006, it is a mere example. Hamas, HA and all other groups must assess if, practically, Israel took a blow or not. The resignation of a prime minister or defence minister is a mere detail. Lets see the population, are they leaving Israel or are more people coming back to Israel?

Hypothetically, it is probably true that the Israelis care too much about their military image, and it is this image that sustains them. But, are these skirmishes that resistance groups have been doing in the past years, really affecting the state of Israel?

I, personally, do not think so. But I cannot assert that. An in-depth study with facts and numbers must be done. Because, if the effect is minimal, than these wars are certain futile, if not destructive for the resistance groups.

[GMA forever]

Why do I have the feeling that the war in Gaza just started right now, but this time it is Hamas who is having the upper hand!

[Zayn]

Is anybody still on board for the two-state solution? I jumped off on December 27th.

[UNITED_LEBANON]

Originally Posted by Zayn

Is anybody still on board for the two-state solution? I jumped off on December 27th.

im with the eradication of Israel solution.

[UNITED_LEBANON]

why didnt Hamas fire rockets toward the Egyptian enemy?

[Learned]

Originally Posted by centrist

1-honor : to hamas maybe but definetly not to the palestinian
2-moral : dont be a joke hanna
3-way of life : nice way of life... i am jealous
4- pride : i really dont see any pride
5-decency : ??????????????
6- survival. : I totally agree with you... now the toughest is to come.

I have seen a lot of blunt, insensitive, and outright ignorant posts before, but none as blunt, insensitive, and ignorant as yours. Those images are a direct indicator of the dishonor, lack of morality, perverse way of life, shameless, indecent, and animalistic nature of the terrorist Zionist regime that inflicted the destruction, death, and devastation upon those people because of its wretched terrorism and vile, inhuman nature.

Imagine, in this day and age, a person posting pictures of Jews being starved in Nazi concentration camps while ridiculing their state of hunger while ignoring the regime that enslaves them and starves them. Would not such a person be labeled, at the very least, as a bigot, a racist, and an anti-semetic? You are not any different. You are as morally bankrupt and ignorant as you are a racist hateful individual.

The very fact that they refused to be terrorized into giving into the Zionist regime distinctly contrasts the nature of that regime. Those who overcome terrorism even as bombs and white phosphorous rains down upon their homes are certainly honorable. Those who overcome terrorism certainly flaunt the superiority of their values and morals. Those who overcome terrorism flaunt the virtues of their way of life. Those who over terrorism demonstrate that they have the pride to put their honor, values, morals, and way of life above fear, terror and coercion. Those who overcome terrorism demonstrate the decency in steadfastness and resiliency in the face of blind, bloodthirsty, racist, brazen arrogance and oppression. And those who overcome terrorism will survive through the ages in our hearts an minds for generations to come.

[tagidli]

Originally Posted by Learned

Imagine, in this day and age, a person posting pictures of Jews being starved in Nazi concentration camps while ridiculing their state of hunger while ignoring the regime that enslaves them and starves them. Would not such a person be labeled, at the very least, as a bigot, a racist, and an anti-semetic? You are not any different. You are as morally bankrupt and ignorant as you are a racist hateful individual.

I think that centrist just wanted to show how those high words means nothing to the simple people and put the pics in a bitter cynical way and not for malicious joy
BTW - In the beginning of this thread some people here sent us back to the "soap manufactures" so please take a look in the mirror first