War on Gaza - Open discussion

[TripolySunni]

Some people on this forum forget the basics, like for example: the people of Palestine chose HAMAS to represent them because it resists politically and militarily, The day HAMAS stops resisting is the day they will lose all thier support.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by hhhh23

So Hamas came out a winner now and unscathed? That is probably true because the 1200 dead people and the 5000 injured people are PEOPLE and not Hamas people. So at the end, in order not to make you angry, yes, it is true, Hamas is unscathed but the Palestinians lost 1200 lives, quite a victory for Hamas and a loss for the Palestinians.

It is really an amazing victory 1200 palestinians dead, vs. 50 or say 100 Israeli soldiers dead and nothing achieved.

Actually, if Hamas seeks more similar victories, you would need 10 or 20 of them and there will be no more palestinians to defend in Gaza.

since u tend you idiolize THE ANGLO SAXON WAY OF LIFE i recommend you watch 2 movies....


1- barveheart.
2-the patriots.

THAN TELL ME ABOUT THE PRICE OF RESISTANCE AND WHO SHALL WIN ..

also, u need to brush your reading about THE BRITISH AND THE IRISH nation, and how after over a 1000 years of british atrocities and religious oppression the IRISH still are nationalistic and even free today.

yalla and there are more examples if u need...
ALSO here is one form your masters history.. SAMSON AL JABBAR ( the guy preferred death to slavery and subdusion) massaya ( it is a lie ) but never the less serves as a lesson for you guys, they preferred to die than surrender.
if FIGHTHNG IS GOOD FOR THE WEST AND THE JEW, WHY IS IT THAN BAD FOR THE ARABS ???????????????

lest i forgot, ask condolisa rice about THE ALAMO....

[MindFree]

Originally Posted by hhhh23

So Hamas came out a winner now and unscathed? That is probably true because the 1200 dead people and the 5000 injured people are PEOPLE and not Hamas people. So at the end, in order not to make you angry, yes, it is true, Hamas is unscathed but the Palestinians lost 1200 lives, quite a victory for Hamas and a loss for the Palestinians.

It is really an amazing victory 1200 palestinians dead, vs. 50 or say 100 Israeli soldiers dead and nothing achieved.

Actually, if Hamas seeks more similar victories, you would need 10 or 20 of them and there will be no more palestinians to defend in Gaza.

Actually, if this is the kind of defense strategies HA is proposing us, then thanks but no thanks.
Hassan Nasrallah said in one of his speeches during the Gaza war, that the war on Gaza ruled out the defense strategy to his point of view , honestly i cant see the thing, it seems that what a defense strategy became is the following: keep the life of some militants, and kill people, destroy infrastructure.
I am sorry, but preserving the life of militants on the expense of civilians and infrastructure, is not a defense strategy.

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

The high death toll and the amount of destruction has nothing to do with the outcome of the war.

Saying otherwise is plain simplicity and ignorance of history and the dynamics of war.

How about i reverse your argument in another way:

Israel can once a month defeat Hamas and whomever it wants in the region,including HA,only by bombing civilians and killing few hundreds of them.Without the need to send troops at the first place.

Does that sound like a victory?

Because according to your logic,this sounds like a victory.If yes,then why did Israel called that a defeat in 2006?

You should maybe ask them this question,don't you think?

Stop wasting your breath!
The same people who believe that the July war was a defeat have the same belief that Hamas also lost.
They don't understand that while we understand completely the death toll and the miseries that some people have lived and will continue to live, the fact that Hamas are still not destroyed is a victory in itself.

Who could have stood in the face of Israel for more than 6 days???

We talk about dignity, and they talk about materialistic gain. For the first time, the deaths of those Palestinians who so boldly gave their lives happened for something!
This is the first time they live this and we owe it to them to call it a victory!

[TripolySunni]

In terms of Personel or members, HAMAS lost around 200-250 which is around 5%-10% as for the the institutions and the Offices and Shelters ect.ect They had heavy losses, As for the media they are still 100% ok.

[Libnene Qu7]

Originally Posted by Mich©

Stop wasting your breath!
The same people who believe that the July war was a defeat have the same belief that Hamas also lost.
They don't understand that while we understand completely the death toll and the miseries that some people have lived and will continue to live, the fact that Hamas are still not destroyed is a victory in itself.

Who could have stood in the face of Israel for more than 6 days???

We talk about dignity, and they talk about materialistic gain. For the first time, the deaths of those Palestinians who so boldly gave their lives happened for something!
This is the first time they live this and we owe it to them to call it a victory!

So to hell with the country and let the regime remain?

That logic is like saying "Ya, my company is out of business, but I'm still sending emails."

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

Abousandal, why do you insist that Hamas won? It clearly was dealt a heavy blow due to the fact that it can barely launch rockets anymore into Israel.

The Israelis 2 days ago announced a cease fire unilaterally! Never in their history was this ever done! Yesterday the Hamas leadership in Damascus replied with a cease-fire announcement. Ye3ni no one is left in Gaza!

It doesn't matter how many Hamas fighters or Israeli soldiers were killed, what matters is that Israel met its announced objective of halting the rockets. Unfortunately, this will get into their heads and will inevitably re-look at HA.

u guys have short memory
hamas alwyas asked for the rafa7 to be open to the people , that is why it was launshing these missiles.

the crossing shall be open and egypt will make sure that it will be open, what exuses they will use it does not matter, the crossing will open

HAMAS ACHIVED ITS OBJECTION FORM THE BEGINNING
PLUS THE GAZA SHALL BE REBUILT BETTER AND IN THE LONG RUN PEOPLE LIFE SHALL BE BETTER THAN BEFORE DEC 08 , THEY WILL NOT BE CAGED LIKE ANIMALS IN GAZA WITH FOOD COMING IN DRIP DROP....
as for HA AND ISRAEL,
israel is not stupid , when they want to start a war , they need not you nor teh arab moderates to goad them, they will attack.
it is like telling a woman that it is her fault she was raped,m because she had maskara on.........
get a life kids, israel attacked us many times when it suited her and will do so again if it suits them.

teh only thing is for HA to be ready tp make them think that the price is high of attack no more no less..

kind like these discovery channles movies, when a hyenna attcak and get a stiff resistance , they change course and look for other targets.

israel is a hyenna , they smell weaknesses, by now egypr smell is suffocating already, i feel for moubarak or jordan watch and see.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Mich©

Stop wasting your breath!
The same people who believe that the July war was a defeat have the same belief that Hamas also lost.
They don't understand that while we understand completely the death toll and the miseries that some people have lived and will continue to live, the fact that Hamas are still not destroyed is a victory in itself.

Who could have stood in the face of Israel for more than 6 days???

We talk about dignity, and they talk about materialistic gain. For the first time, the deaths of those Palestinians who so boldly gave their lives happened for something!
This is the first time they live this and we owe it to them to call it a victory!

You don't need to annihilate a whole army to declare victory.

Ba3den you talk about dignity:

What about these people who now live on the streets, do you think they still have a shred of dignity ?

What about the people who died in their beds eventhough they didn't want this war that was imposed on them ?

What about the people who lost family members and all their goods ?

What kind of dignity is left in them ?

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

So to hell with the country and let the regime remain?

That logic is like saying "Ya, my company is out of business, but I'm still sending emails."

u porved us right all right

we can not argue when it comes to money and personal interests.

we speak about more intabgible issues

1-honor
2-moral
3-way of life
4- pride
5-decency
6- survival.

ur arguments will find great listeners and approvals with these horny kings and frivelled presidents i might add.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

u porved us right all right

we can not argue when it comes to money and personal interests.

we speak about more intabgible issues

1-honor
2-moral
3-way of life
4- pride
5-decency
6- survival.

ur arguments will find great listeners and approvals with these horny kings and frivelled presidents i might add.

Yeah, and the gazaouis actually have all of that.

Their moral is great now that they lost their homes and their long lost decency was won now that they have no place to live in

Their way of life has greatly improved, you can just read the UN health report and you can see how great the life is there now

Pride....mmmm.... no house to live, no money to eat and no business to get money, but yeah, **** proud of it