War on Gaza - Open discussion

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Abufijli

Sawtak ba3do tali3? It is over son, Hamas is still there unscathed and Israel has not achieved a thing. Khalas, the time for the BS you are spinning is over. A new era has been born with this misery.

I wouldn't call more than 400 fighters dead, more than 1200 people dead, more than 5000 people injured, more than 4000 buildings destroyed, tens of thousands of refugees UNSCATHED...

Not to forget the hundreds of tunnels destroyed and the weapon's caches annihilated....

Maybe Israel didn't achieve its direct goals yet, but I don't believe that Hamas came out of it a winner

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by The Jade

16:26 القسام: قتلنا 80 جندياً وأطلقنا 980 صاروخاً وأسرنا عدداً من الجنود قتلوا في المعركة

Can someone tell me how you can imprison dead people ?

Dude,

On 2 occasions they captured Israeli soldiers, then were bombed and the captives killed.

You should learn to read more of the press and follow televised statements.You're ridiculous.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I wouldn't call more than 400 fighters dead, more than 1200 people dead, more than 5000 people injured, more than 4000 buildings destroyed, tens of thousands of refugees UNSCATHED...

What is this?

Deliberate stubbornness or total blindness?

Mr Abufijli was talking about HAMAS,so your reply is totally misplaced and out of context.

Originally Posted by The Jade

Not to forget the hundreds of tunnels destroyed and the weapon's caches annihilated....

Only hundreds?...No...It's millions...What?...No no...Billions!

Originally Posted by The Jade

Maybe Israel didn't achieve its direct goals yet, but I don't believe that Hamas came out of it a winner

That was your wish from before day one so your opinion is of no value...really.

Keep living in denial...While we keep reshaping the world.You people are useless at anything but empty talks.

[hhhh23]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

What is this?

Deliberate stubbornness or total blindness?

Mr Abufijli was talking about HAMAS,so your reply is totally misplaced and out of context.



Only hundreds?...No...It's millions...What?...No no...Billions!



That was your wish from before day one so your opinion is of no value...really.

Keep living in denial...While we keep reshaping the world.You people are useless at anything but empty talks.

So Hamas came out a winner now and unscathed? That is probably true because the 1200 dead people and the 5000 injured people are PEOPLE and not Hamas people. So at the end, in order not to make you angry, yes, it is true, Hamas is unscathed but the Palestinians lost 1200 lives, quite a victory for Hamas and a loss for the Palestinians.

It is really an amazing victory 1200 palestinians dead, vs. 50 or say 100 Israeli soldiers dead and nothing achieved.

Actually, if Hamas seeks more similar victories, you would need 10 or 20 of them and there will be no more palestinians to defend in Gaza.

[Abou Sandal]

This one traitor will never ever see Gaza ever again.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by centrist

I can only sa Mabrouk to the Palestianian Authority and its President Abbas who fighted for the ceasefire. hamas and their leaders will face as from today... for the next 2 years, the misery they offered to the innocent palestinian in Gaza. hamas today claimed vicotry because they succeeded on bringing more misery to its people. We all know well that without misery hamas is useless.

Today, hamas learned the lesson. gazaan today have enough of those islamist fanatic who can only bring chaos to their life. unfortunatly, gazaana will continue to live amid the destruction left by the war, while remaining under a dictatorial and fundamentalist regime.

the rebuilting of hamas infrastructure will take a long long time. squeezed between the Egyptian regime who wont let any rocket going through the tunnel (if there is still any), and the israelis who will have their eyes on every boat coming to gaza, the survival of hamas is very hard but possible.

the 2 LEADING Arabs country did the right job. and today the whole arab world will give less attention to hamas. now that the unilateral ceasfire is declared, the pity on the palestinian civilian will fade and the whole world will realize how much misery hamas brought to the civilians. they need at least 10 to 15 years to recover from the huge hit Israel gace to hamas.

Palestininans, hostages from the terrorist group hamas, start to wake up.

example:

"What rockets? Our rockets are like pencils compared to those fired by Israel," said one woman in the devastated town of Beit Lahiya. Like many Gazans, she did not want to give her name when making unflattering remarks about the enclave's rulers.

"We know Hamas power was not destroyed, but at least give people a chance to breathe," said a taxi driver who again would not give his name out of fear. "Was what happened not enough?"

Lama, a secretary who would not give her full name, said: "Rockets must end. What did we gain from them?" she asked, noting that the truce could have been renewed in December. "Now after thousands of casualties, how does Hamas explain that?"

Again, their way of resistance has failed totally. Innocent citizens have paid the price. but then again, what do we expect from a terrorist group, whose program and ideoligy is based on the culture of death.

Hamas will think twice before firing any rocket. and the day they will fire after the withdrawal of Tzahal, the inside revolution will happen. they have learned a tough lesson.

God help the innocent palestinian from gaza from the evils of hamas

of course in each society many people can not have the mental stregnth to resist,
if resistance all ove rthe world would listen to such people, nothing would have ever change.
the funny part is how u guys use such statements to justify and clear your conscious form THE WAY U HAVE THROEING YOURSLEVES AT THE ENEMY GATES BEGGING FOR A ROLE OR A BONE.....
especially these so called the hebrew arabs and moderates arabsLOLLLLLLL

the question should be asked, will these people u keep quoting, vote for the likes of mahmoud abbas and his goons
and moubarak al jabban
or the drunkard saudi king???????????

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND THE ANSWER IS NO HELL NO..THEY WOULD NOT.
that is why egyot and the likes dare not have any democracy or democractic reforms.
and why hamas will win easily all the elections in palestine,
u guys WANTS DEMOCRACY LIP SERVIC E WHEN U CAN WIN and when u can not u will cancle it and act democractic by quoting people.
yall u should hvae seen the drunkard king trying to meet with bachar ( shou assad family are not keffar wa 3alaweyye now??????)
shou assad family are forgiven by the mighty powerful saudi mickey mouses and rats?????????? u know they think they are powerful while , in reality, they are scared from their own citizens too. they have no army there.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by hhhh23

So Hamas came out a winner now and unscathed? That is probably true because the 1200 dead people and the 5000 injured people are PEOPLE and not Hamas people. So at the end, in order not to make you angry, yes, it is true, Hamas is unscathed but the Palestinians lost 1200 lives, quite a victory for Hamas and a loss for the Palestinians.

It is really an amazing victory 1200 palestinians dead, vs. 50 or say 100 Israeli soldiers dead and nothing achieved.

Actually, if Hamas seeks more similar victories, you would need 10 or 20 of them and there will be no more palestinians to defend in Gaza.

The high death toll and the amount of destruction has nothing to do with the outcome of the war.

Saying otherwise is plain simplicity and ignorance of history and the dynamics of war.

How about i reverse your argument in another way:

Israel can once a month defeat Hamas and whomever it wants in the region,including HA,only by bombing civilians and killing few hundreds of them.Without the need to send troops on the ground at the first place.

Does that sound like a victory?

Because according to your logic,this sounds like a victory.If yes,then why did Israel call that a defeat in 2006?

You should maybe ask them this question,don't you think?

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I wouldn't call more than 400 fighters dead, more than 1200 people dead, more than 5000 people injured, more than 4000 buildings destroyed, tens of thousands of refugees UNSCATHED...

Not to forget the hundreds of tunnels destroyed and the weapon's caches annihilated....

Maybe Israel didn't achieve its direct goals yet, but I don't believe that Hamas came out of it a winner

in the past the arabs used to be kicked asse..s by israel and they go and declare a win.
these days the jews declare object not achieved and the arabs ( some leaders and followers) insist , argue, get upset, fight that israel won and they lost.
ya khayye hey2ta2 malak aktarr men al malak himslef.
rou2, id israel is saying that hamas is intact and theor goal is not accomplished , why would you argue with them?????.

another issue, u guys were routing and praying for maximum and severe effect and punishment of the palestinians and hamas people, than go round AND SHED CROCODILE TEARS over their death destruction of the land.
ma ento wishewd for that and many of you deep doen wanted that in order to turn the people against hamas, why now act concerned.

we need not your pity,
we need not your tears

u were against your peopke from the beginning, so stay there and spare us the drama.

l3amma many jews all over the world condemneed israel and our azlamm in here are still fiding excuses.

we have seen u in lebanon after 06 and u guys are repeating the smae gig and stories.

ma 7alkoun ba2a tet3allamou men 06, isarel anbd learned its lesson BY NEVER DECLARING OPENLY ITS OFFENSIVE INTENT SO THEY CAN ALWAYS CLAIM WHAT SUITS THEM........


khalass if u do not like the resistance, start your own against them, let us see if u guys have 0.000000001% OF TEHIR ZEST OR HEART

YALLA START AFWAJJ ANTI HAMAS......cowards and loud mouth that what these people are,

[Frisbeetarian]

Today, hamas learned the lesson. gazaan today have enough of those islamist fanatic who can only bring chaos to their life. unfortunatly, gazaana will continue to live amid the destruction left by the war, while remaining under a dictatorial and fundamentalist regime.

I still utterly fail to see why members are still taking you seriously.

[Libnene Qu7]

Abousandal, why do you insist that Hamas won? It clearly was dealt a heavy blow due to the fact that it can barely launch rockets anymore into Israel.

The Israelis 2 days ago announced a cease fire unilaterally! Never in their history was this ever done! Yesterday the Hamas leadership in Damascus replied with a cease-fire announcement. Ye3ni no one is left in Gaza!

It doesn't matter how many Hamas fighters or Israeli soldiers were killed, what matters is that Israel met its announced objective of halting the rockets. Unfortunately, this will get into their heads and will inevitably re-look at HA.