War on Gaza - Open discussion

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

It doesn't surprise me that the idea of resistance is lost on somebody from the (defeated) LF.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

First of all ur gonna see that most Israeli Soldiers are gonna die in mysterious car accidents but enough about that. If this is how you understand politics than Mabrouk la 2elak Khayi w Mabrouk la Za3imak, a very weak understanding of politics. Ofcourse all the respect to the dead palestinians.

[Nonan]

Originally Posted by Zayn

As much as you want Iran to be the focus of hatred of the Arab world, that will never happen. The Iran-Syria-Hezbollah-Hamas alliance has the support of the Arab street while the Saudi-Egypt-Jordan-Abbas alliance has the support of American and Israel. I wonder who will last longer.

I don't want anything and I don't need you to explain to me how dictatorships work... Regardless, Hafez el Assad was always careful to portray himself as the Hero of the Golan eventhough no bullet was fired there since 1974, Mubarak was Mubarak in 1982, 1996, etc. and still it is only recently that he is becoming more transparent, so is the KSA regime, in his support to Israel. I am not saying the population suddenly started hating Iran instead of Israel but look at Lebanon today... Can you tell me with confidence that, if a war was to happen between Iran and Israel, the Sunni street would side with Iran? I don't have any stats to give you but I doubt it deeply.

My personal observation (of course limited and potentially flawed) is that the Persian vs. Arabic Sunnis shift is real and gained importance. I don't know how it will play out but overall but we've seen how it did in Lebanon (where sunnis are siding with long term pro-Israeli LFs and PSP)...

[Zayn]

Originally Posted by Nonan

I don't want anything and I don't need you to explain to me how dictatorships work... Regardless, Hafez el Assad was always careful to portray himself as the Hero of the Golan eventhough no bullet was fired there since 1974, Mubarak was Mubarak in 1982, 1996, etc. and still it is only recently that he is becoming more transparent, so is the KSA regime, in his support to Israel. I am not saying the population suddenly started hating Iran instead of Israel but look at Lebanon today... Can you tell me with confidence that, if a war was to happen between Iran and Israel, the Sunni street would side with Iran? I don't have any stats to give you but I doubt it deeply.

My personal observation (of course limited and potentially flawed) is that the Persian vs. Arabic Sunnis shift is real and gained importance. I don't know how it will play out but overall but we've seen how it did in Lebanon (where sunnis are siding with long term pro-Israeli LFs and PSP)...

The Sunni street was behind Hezbollah when it was at war with Israel. Why wouldn't it be the same for Iran?

Also note that Lebanon is skewed in that it is probably the most sectarian country in the Middle East (although it is being eclipsed by Iraq). Most Arabs are not so insanely sectarian that they will wish for the death of one entity based on sectarian altruistic impulses alone.

My dad is Sunni and my mom is Shiite if you want an example. Intermarriages are common even in sectarian Lebanon.

[Nayla]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

I won't reply by myself, but i'll show you how the zionists see this defeat

Al-Manar اوساط العدو وخيبة الفشل في غزة تقرير احمد شعيتو تأكيد رئيس الوزراء الصهيوني ايهود اولمرت اثناء اعلانه وقف اطلاق النار من جانب واحد في قطاع غزة انه تم تحقيق الاهداف من العملية العدوانية ناقضته اراء المستوطنين وسياسيين وامنيين وخبراء ووسائل اعلام صهيونية على حد سواء، في وقت استمر اطلاق الصواريخ الى ما بعد اعلان وقف النار ولم يستطع العدو ضرب قدرات المقاومة ولا مواصلة تقدمه البري. ففيما عم الغضب والخيبة والتشكيك بين مستوطنين كثر بشأن نتيجة العملية ووقف النار لأنه لم يأت باتفاق بين الطرفين بل من جانب واحد معتبرين ان ذلك سسيعطي حركة حماس مجددا الفرصة لتقوية نفسها، ووجهوا انتقادات لاذعة للحكومة، اكد سياسيون ان حماس لا تزال تسيطر على قطاع غزة وستواصل الحصول على اسلحة في وقت اشار الخبراء والصحافة الى استمرار اطلاق الصواريخ بعد اعلان وقف النار. فرئيس حزب الليكود بنيامين نتنياهو قال ان الجيش الاسرائيلي وجه ضربة شديدة الى حماس لكن لسوء الحظ فالعمل لم يكتمل مضيفا عند زيارته جنودا ومستوطنين جرحى ان حماس تواصل السيطرة على غزة وستواصل تهريب الاسلحة المطورة عبر ممر فيلاديلفي في الحدود مع مصر. بدوره رئيس جهاز الامن الداخلي الاسرائيلي (شين بيت) يوفال ديسكين اعتبر الاحد ان حركة حماس ستتمكن في غضون بضعة اشهر من اعادة حفر انفاق التهريب التي دمرها الجيش الاسرائيلي في عملياته. ورأى ديسكين بعد جلسة مجلس الوزراء الاسبوعي في القدس ان "حماس ستتمكن من اعادة حفر الانفاق في غضون بضعة اشهر وستعاود تهريب الاسلحة". وقال "ان العملية لم تسدد ضربة قاضية لحفر الانفاق وعلى الرغم من الضربات القاسية التي تلقتها البنى التحتية لحماس فلم تدمر كل انفاق التهريب". الحرب على قطاع غزة عززت شرعية حماس بحسب المعلق السياسي في صحيفة يديعوت أحرونوت ، روني شاكيد، وقال إن وقف إطلاق النار يعيد حماس إلى السلطة في غزة رغما عن أنف أولمرت وباراك وليفني وأبو مازن ومبارك وتعود العلاقات بين إسرائيل وحماس إلى المربع الذي كانت فيه قبل الحرب. واعتبر أن "الحرب عمقت الانقسام في العالم العربي، إلا أن حماس عززت شرعيتها في العالم العربي بل وفي تركيا أيضا. كما عمقت الحرب الفجوة بين غزة ورام الله. "ان اعتبرنا ذلك نصرا فالويل للمنتصرين"، يقول المراسل العسكري لصحيفة معاريف عوفر شيلاخ، فقد كتب في افتتاحية "ان اسرائيل التي كانت تطمح ان تكون منارة للامم تفخر اليوم بممارسات شبيهة بممارسات بوتين وان اعتبرنا ذلك نصرا فالويل للمنتصرين". واضاف ان عملية "الرصاص المصبوب" "مبررة" لكن نجاحها كان له ثمن. ورأى ابرز كاتبي الافتتاحيات في صحيفة يديعوت احرونوت كبرى الصحف الاسرائيلية نعوم بارنيا انه "نظرا الى مقتل مئات المدنيين واصابة الالاف بجروح يمكننا ان نخشى ان تكون اسرائيل تخطت الحدود هذه المرة". ويتساءل الباحث الصهيني يوسي الفير "كيف يمكن تأكيد ان الاهداف تحققت في حين لا تزال صواريخ تطلق على اسرائيل كما لم تتقرر اي آلية لوضع حد لتهريب السلاح عبر الحدود مع مصر". مستوطنو المناطق التي تعرضت تكرارا للصواريخ الفلسطينية غير راضين اطلاقا على وقف النار ونتائج الحرب. وكنموذج على ذلك تقول احدى المستوطِنات في مستوطنة سديروت "هذا عار! ان هذا القرار يعطي حماس الوقت لتعيد تسليح نفسها وتطلق علينا (صواريخ) القسام". وتساءلت اخرى وهي من مستوطني كيبوتز برور هايل قرب سديروت "اي وقف اطلاق نار هذا كيف يمكن ان نقرر شيئا كهذا بدون اتفاق بين الطرفين" وتضيف منددة "ان الحكومة رضخت للضغوط الدولية وما سيجري الان هو انهم سينسوننا مجددا". "حين بدأت الحرب رفعت العلم الاسرائيلي على سطح منزلي تعبيرا عن دعمي اما اليوم فارغب في انزاله" يقول بدوره احد مستوطني سديروت.. Al-Manar Read it here

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[Zghertewe]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

I don't expect much from you since all your victories are against women and children.

[tae]

Originally Posted by tagidli

Thats my point exactly - what do you think would have happened if IDF progress into GAZA - the HAMAS would have shooting from inside the home of civilians and blew up houses (with the people inside) just to kill Israeli soldiers. Thats what I am talking about - you are ready to sacrify everything just to say "We killed Israeli soldiers"
I wonder if you were leaving there you would have said the same things. I dont think so, but maybe your hate made you blind to the suffer of other people that you are willing to sacrify them in a keyboard click

Why didnt HAMAS came out to defend the people in the edges of GAZA?

I don't think that the reason for not proceeding with ground operations was to avoid killing palestinian civilians, especially that we are talking about the IDF which has a very bad record in this concern.

what are you talking about? you want them to get out in front of your tanks with their bare chest?? are you serious??

The Resistance men do care about their lives, they do care about the safety of their families, but they know well that liberty has a price, and they decided to pay this price in order to offer a better future to their kids and grandsons.

[tae]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Khalas the war is over. Israel declared a unilateral cease fire and are withdrawing from Gaza! Another divine victory for the resistance!! Who could've imagined that! Bravo Hamas! 1200 dead Palestinians and 14 dead Israelis! Awesome victory. Mabrouk lal kil!

Hamas killed 1200 civilians, where did you hear that?

[tae]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

First of all ur gonna see that most Israeli Soldiers are gonna die in mysterious car accidents but enough about that. If this is how you understand politics than Mabrouk la 2elak Khayi w Mabrouk la Za3imak, a very weak understanding of politics. Ofcourse all the respect to the dead palestinians.

Yes we will hear a lot of stories about soldiers who cut their necks accidently while shaving