USJ to adopt proportional representation for the students' elections

[_HaJ_]

This is the worst law ever.
I'm a USJ student . This law is only made to destroy FPM's winning image in the past 15 years.
no more 5-0 or 11-0 or ... in any faculty why ??
because in this new law in order to win all the seats in a year : lets say 3 seats, the list has to get 86 % of the votes. which in impossible for any party ..
we are not against the proportional law but ITS NEVER DONE ON A SMALL SCALE !!!!
its done on the whole faculty ..
mish bi saf fiyo 50 students byotla3 1-1 law shou ma sar :S !! this is total ******** :S !!

Anyway i never expected more from USJ , since the board of directors contains MARWAN HEMED and NAYLA M3AWWAD..

we r doing our best this year w nshallah kher .

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Youchka

From what I understood and correct me if I am wrong, this was done so that all PARTIES would be represented. So this is actually encouraging the political parties divisions inside the university, and rendering the elections a political one (I know asslan it was but it is reinforcing it) instead of making something to further it from the political ajwek.
I mean what do HA weapons have anything to do with a student council and what those students can offer for the university?

I think for elections to be really apolitical, universities should ban parties from running, just individuals without any political umbrella. Even if a guy is FPM, he would tun udner his name and not under FPM tag. This will lessen the tensions and will make students vote for individuals rather than opposition or loyalists or FPM or LF or FM...

Youchka,
the atmosphere is already riddled with politics, everyone is into it now and the university can't do much about it.

They banned political parties, but it is so easy to overcome this problem by adopting the color of the party you support or some of their slogans.

And I disagree when you say that they are reinforcing it because since the atmosphere is there, the goal is to try and find the best way to take advantage of that.

On the long run, the political parties will realize that if they wanna get more votes and more representatives they're gonna have to really work for the students, they're gonna have to go on with projects no one really cared to start before.

Because, as I said it before, human nature makes you lazy when you are in a comfortable place.
If you're making 20 million $ a year and you're thinking of buying a car, would you be working as hard as if you're making 50 000$ a year ?


On the long run, a system like this one is beneficial because it enhances the competition.
And instead of having it on the streets, it will be behind desks.
And THAT'S the real aim of such a move.

You won't see the results just yet, it will take a couple of years before we can see anything.

[snacker23]

I'm a USJ student and as FPM we are trying as hard as we can to fight this new law since it was adopted without consulting the amicale and this is the first time it happens in USJ..so the administration is trying to take power from the amical because before this, nothing could be adopted without the amical's approvance and acceptance(the amical itself used to prepare the election law and study it and show it to the univeristy administration)....and this could affect tuitions(the amicale had always a major role in putting pressure against the administration to prevent tuitions from going higher),as it could affect many other things and projects...
Plus this new law doesn't lead into a fair representation because as "_HaJ_" said proportionality is being adopted in a very small scale of 50 or 100 students and it's impossible to win all 3 seats unless a party gets exactly 86% of the votes or more...if it was adopted in the whole faculty 3ala rase...so flyers were being distributed in USJ by "USJ STUDENTS" against this new law and to make students understand why it's not fair...anyway we our doing the best we can and working hard..nchalla kher

[oscard]

Originally Posted by snacker23

I'm a USJ student and as FPM we are trying as hard as we can to fight this new law since it was adopted without consulting the amicale and this is the first time it happens in USJ..so the administration is trying to take power from the amical because before this, nothing could be adopted without the amical's approvance and acceptance(the amical itself used to prepare the election law and study it and show it to the univeristy administration)....and this could affect tuitions(the amicale had always a major role in putting pressure against the administration to prevent tuitions from going higher),as it could affect many other things and projects...
Plus this new law doesn't lead into a fair representation because as "_HaJ_" said proportionality is being adopted in a very small scale of 50 or 100 students and it's impossible to win all 3 seats unless a party gets exactly 86% of the votes or more...if it was adopted in the whole faculty 3ala rase...so flyers were being distributed in USJ by "USJ STUDENTS" against this new law and to make students understand why it's not fair...anyway we our doing the best we can and working hard..nchalla kher

why you do not hold a press confirence to present this to the public and to the students??
i know that it might be a long shot, but why not make a public debate with the administration to discuss this?

[e_khoury]

like every year they are trying to make Fpm lose the elections! every year they change the law and every year they fail!
this time if Fpm wins,next year they will change the law again!!!
Good luck chabeb in the elections this year and God be with you.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Youchka,
the atmosphere is already riddled with politics, everyone is into it now and the university can't do much about it.

They banned political parties, but it is so easy to overcome this problem by adopting the color of the party you support or some of their slogans.

And I disagree when you say that they are reinforcing it because since the atmosphere is there, the goal is to try and find the best way to take advantage of that.

On the long run, the political parties will realize that if they wanna get more votes and more representatives they're gonna have to really work for the students, they're gonna have to go on with projects no one really cared to start before.

Because, as I said it before, human nature makes you lazy when you are in a comfortable place.
If you're making 20 million $ a year and you're thinking of buying a car, would you be working as hard as if you're making 50 000$ a year ?


On the long run, a system like this one is beneficial because it enhances the competition.
And instead of having it on the streets, it will be behind desks.
And THAT'S the real aim of such a move.

You won't see the results just yet, it will take a couple of years before we can see anything.

When you have a class of 50, how much hard work do you need to put knowing that if you get few of your friends voting for you you will get your seat anyways?

Unfortunately, I know the tawajouhet of the board at USJ, and since we know some of those people and how they think and what makes them act, I can only say that they are doing this to undermine FPM nothing more nothing less, regardless of the benefits on the long run or the lack of them. Every year they come up with a new fatwa, they do not know what to do to make us lose USJ, this time with this law, you can be sure that we will not have the same result as last year and from now get ready for the "you lost popularity" and "we increased in popularity" slogans.
I would really like to see such a law at LAU Beirut let's say, which is known to be a stronghold for FM, but you can bet that it will never happen, at least not in the coming years. rest assured that nothing that people like Marwan Hamade do is not premeditated, this time is no exception.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by oscard

why you do not hold a press confirence to present this to the public and to the students??
i know that it might be a long shot, but why not make a public debate with the administration to discuss this?

If indeed the by-laws have been broken I fully support your idea.

Instead of ranting in a forum or around the voters, the elected people should go to the administration, show them where they went wrong and threaten to take necessary steps if nothing was changed.

If they don't agree to change their position, then the amicale should go public with its accusations (Press conference AT LEAST) with documents in hand.
Or else it's useless.

I would go even further by approaching the other political forces to make one strong front.

The idea would be to get them to acknowledge the importance of the students' choice and that if they agree with the university's move now, one day it might take a decision that will NOT benefit them politically.

So, if they wanna build a student front, they should all stand and ask for the by-laws to be respected.
And if u have that front, it would be easier for the students to get what they want.

[snacker23]

why you do not hold a press confirence to present this to the public and to the students??
i know that it might be a long shot, but why not make a public debate with the administration to discuss this?

last week on monday the vice president Awit came to the esib campus and hold a press conference about the new law and alot of students confronted him and cornered him with questions and he wasn't so happy about it and he ended saying khalas this year this law is adopted next year we'll see....anyway we will do what's possible regarding this issue...

I would go even further by approaching the other political forces to make one strong front.

other political forces as LF don't care because this is the law that benefits them the most and they were/are never in confrontation with the administration and do not care about the student commitee's power and student's rights...

anyway that's what GMA said 2 weeks ago:
كما أن الجامعات فسدت عندنا وكل منها باتت تضع لنفسها قانونا سياسيا. فطلابنا يصلون الى البكالوريا وهم ممنوعون من الحديث في السياسة. كيف سيصوتون؟ سأسحب تصويتي وأضع مشروعا لتعديل قانون الانتخابات. هناك جامعات لا تسمح بلجنة طالبية وأخرى باتت لها هوية سياسية ولا تسمح للرأي الآخر بالظهور على منابرها. هذه جامعات تدعي أن عندها ديمقراطية وتاريخا ولا أقصد أي جامعات بل جامعات يفتخر بها لبنان لكن ربما أعداها التخلف بدلا من أن تعدينا تقدما

[ul-eco-aouniste]

Originally Posted by sev

provide me translation in english.. its english forum, not french..

It's Lebanese, Arabic French or English will work! use Google translation if you want