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How about Jumblat? I did not see his name among the puppet show at Nayla's house. Jumblat is calculating his come back to Syria's lap.
He was there, Nassib Lahoud wasn't.
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بايدن لـ14 آذار: نتائج الانتخابات لمصلحتكم إذا جذبتم المترددين!


practically....he is telling them that they are a bunch of losers.
No well actually he's telling them to ditch more money.
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He was there, Nassib Lahoud wasn't.
Nassib Lahoud is abscent politically now, the backstab of his allies was too much for him.

Joumblatt was not there, why do you think he was?
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Nassib Lahoud is abscent politically now, the backstab of his allies was too much for him.

Joumblatt was not there, why do you think he was?
Cuz he had a meeting with him....

أعلن رئيس "اللقاء الديموقراطي" النائب وليد جنبلاط أنه أثار خلال اللقاء مع نائب الرئيس الأميركي جوزف بايدن موضوع شبكات التجسس الإسرائيلية، معتبراً أنها "اختراق أخطر من الاختراقات البرية، وتهديد للسلم الأهلي"، وأن أركان 14 آذار وافقوا على كلامه.

ولفت في حديث إلى صحيفة "الأخبار"، إلى أنه أبلغ بايدن "أهمية ترسيم مزارع شبعا، ولكن هذا لا يجري إلا بالتوافق بين الحكومتين اللبنانية والسورية"، مشدداً على الانسحاب الإسرائيلي من مزارع شبعا، والجزء اللبناني من قرية الغجر.

وأبلغه أيضاً "ضرورة العودة إلى النقاط السبع"، وتطرق إلى القرار 1559، موضحاً أنه عند إقراره كان رأيه (جنبلاط) ورأي (الرئيس الشهيد رفيق) الحريري الأب ولاحقاً الابن (رئيس كتلة "المستقبل" النائب سعد الحريري)، أن هذا القرار لا يطبّق إلا بالحوار.



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قوى كبرى تعمل من خلف الستار .الإعلام الإسرائيلي يقولها بالفم الملآن: زيارة الامريكيين الى لبنان لمنع إنتصار المعارضة والسعودية ومصر متخوفتان


وضعت الأوساط الاعلامية الاسرائيلية الزيارات المتلاحقة للمسؤولين الاميركيين إلى لبنان في إطار السعي الحثيث لدعم فريق الموالاة بوجه المعارضة وحزب الله للحيلولة دون فوزهم في الانتخابات النيابية المقبلة.وقالت صحيفة هآرتس إنَّ زيارة نائب الرئيس الأميركي جو بايدن إلى بيروت أتت للتعبير عن دعم الحكومة الحالية قبيل الإنتخابات وتحسباً من تعزيز قوة حزب الله.فيما قالت القناة العاشرة فيس التلفزيون الاسرائيلي إنَّ زيارة بايدن حملت رسالة إلى اللبنانيين مفادها أنَّ لا تصوتوا لصالح حزب الله وحلفائه.

وقال المختص بالشؤون العربية ايهود يعري " نرى أنَّ نائب الرئيس الأميركي أتى إلى لبنان ووعد بتزويد الجيش اللبناني بطائرات دون طيار وتدريبات كوماندوس ومروحيات، وذلك لمنع انتصار حزب الله في انتخابات الشهر المقبل".

ومن جانبه رأى المحلل للشؤون العربية عودد غرانوت ان الامر المهم في الانتخابات اللبنانية هو صراع القوى الكبرى, معتبراً ان الولايات المتحدة والسعوديون والمصريون يدركون الخطر وهم يُنفقون أموالاً لشراء الناخبين لصالح سعد الحريري أو المعسكر الموالي للغرب، فيما قامت الولايات المتحدة خلال ثلاثة اسابيع بإرسال هيلاري كلينتون وجو بايدن الى بيروت لدعم حلفائها.
كما كشف العديد من المصادر الاسرائيلية عن مخاوف أميركية واسرائيلية مشتركة من انتصار معسكر المعارضة اللبنانية وتحدثت عن جهات دولية تعمل لمنع ذلك.

فقد قال ايالا حسون من القناة "الاسرائيلية "الاولى ان هناك قلق عظيم من فوز حزب الله في الانتخابات في لبنان.وبدوره قال المحلل للشؤون العربية عودد غرانوت ان هناك خشية كبيرة في الولايات المتحدة واسرائيل من انتصار معسكر حزب الله الذي سيجعل الصورة مختلفة وهناك الآن قوى كبرى تعمل من خلف الستار لمنع هذه النتيجة.
اما صحيفة معاريف التي لم تستبعد انتصار المعارضة، ورأت أن الانتخابات اللبنانية أتت في وقت هو الأفضل بالنسبة لحزب الله، بعد ان استطاع أن يثبت أنه الطرف الأكثر تأثيراً و أهمية في السياسة الداخلية اللبنانية.
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Moderates at Risk in Election

By John Hannah
Washington Times, May 28, 2009

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s visit to Beirut last week underscored the enormous stake America has in parliamentary elections that Lebanon will hold June 7. The country's governing majority -- moderate, pro-Western, supported by Washington -- is running neck and neck with a coalition dominated by Hezbollah, the militant Shiite group controlled by Iran, backed by Syria and considered by American intelligence to be perhaps the world's most capable terrorist organization.
The Obama administration should continue doing everything it can to avert this looming strategic setback.


Lebanon's government is led by the March 14th movement -- a diverse coalition that takes its name from the date of the massive demonstration in 2005 that triggered the so-called Cedar Revolution, which ended nearly 30 years of Syrian military occupation. The protest itself erupted on the heels of the murder of Lebanon's former prime minister, Rafiq Hariri, in a terrorist attack widely blamed on Damascus.

Since its election in 2005, March 14th has been committed, albeit imperfectly, to limiting the malign interference of Iran and Syria while re-establishing Lebanon's sovereignty and independence. Central to this effort has been a desire to implement U.N. Security Council resolutions calling for the dismantling of Hezbollah's powerful militia.

For its part, Hezbollah, with Iranian and Syrian backing, has worked assiduously to reverse the Cedar Revolution. Though blame never was formally affixed, a systematic assassination campaign targeting March 14th officials paralyzed Lebanon's political system. Hezbollah's 2006 war with Israel left Lebanon devastated but Hezbollah claiming victory. Finally, in May 2008, Hezbollah's forces rampaged through Beirut's streets attacking elements of March 14th. When the fighting was finished, Hezbollah and its allies had secured through bullets what had been denied them by ballots: enough seats in Lebanon's Cabinet to block any major decisions -- including, of course, the disarming of Hezbollah.

With elections just weeks away, Lebanon's fate hangs in the balance. Will Hezbollah's coalition succeed in formally taking control of the Lebanese state? Will the country's politics come increasingly to be dominated by Hezbollah's brand of Iranian-style religious extremism at home and confrontation with Israel and America abroad? Or will March 14th be able to maintain its popular edge and continue the struggle to preserve Lebanon's identity as a Middle Eastern outpost of tolerance, diversity and moderation?

Make no mistake: Hezbollah's triumph would constitute a major U.S. defeat. Despite the Obama administration's overtures to Iran, it remains the case that across the Middle East, the battle for Lebanon is understood as part of a much larger struggle for power being waged by Washington and Tehran.

The formal collapse of the Cedar Revolution would send shockwaves throughout the region, providing powerful confirmation of Iran's ascendancy and America's decline. It would dramatically embolden Teheran at a time when Washington hopes to negotiate an end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, its support for terrorism and its escalating efforts -- frequently using Hezbollah operatives -- to subvert pro-U.S. governments across the Arab world from Iraq to Egypt to Morocco.

With the stakes so high and the elections still too close to call, the Obama administration should throw caution to the wind and do what it can to tip the balance in March 14th's favor. While the United States generally refrains from intervening in foreign elections, an exception should be made in Lebanon -- where the consequences for U.S. national security are potentially so grave and America's enemies (read Iran and Syria) already are interfering heavily to secure an outcome harmful to U.S. interests.

Moreover, the odds actually are good that a U.S. embrace of March 14th could make a positive difference at the margins. As in much of the world, President Obama is extremely popular in Lebanon. Were he to act boldly to demonstrate America's unequivocal preference for March 14th, it could be decisive in moving key constituencies off the fence and against Hezbollah. Mr. Biden's visit to Beirut was an excellent step.

More dramatically, the president could arrange a snap Oval Office meeting with March 14th's leader, Saad Hariri (the slain prime minister's son), and use it to underscore the depths of his personal commitment to the Cedar Revolution's ideals as well as his concern for the future of U.S.-Lebanese relations should the government fall to Hezbollah -- a group, after all, that notoriously has American blood on its hands, including that of the 241 Marines who lost their lives when Hezbollah bombed their Beirut barracks in 1983.

It would be tragic indeed to look back and wonder what more the United States could have done to save Lebanon. Time is short. However, if Mr. Obama is prepared to spend some of his substantial political capital, he could indeed provide the Lebanese people with the encouragement they so desperately need to resist Hezbollah's Iranian-backed juggernaut. In doing so, he also would be advancing America's vital interests in a more stable and secure Middle East.

John Hannah was national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney from 2005 to 2009 and is a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
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John Hannah was national security adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney from 2005 to 2009 and is a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
Not only a fellow, but a senior one. One wonders how strategic studies are made at WINEP with this caliber of "fellows" on board.

This sentence is priceless though :"It would dramatically embolden Teheran at a time when Washington hopes to negotiate an end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, its support for terrorism and its escalating efforts -- frequently using Hezbollah operatives -- to subvert pro-U.S. governments across the Arab world from Iraq to Egypt to Morocco."

Seriously, the Obama administration should invite Nayla Mouawad to prune the rose garden in the White House asap or "Hezbollah operatives" might take control of the entire middle east and the oil on which it floats.
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Not only a fellow, but a senior one. One wonders how strategic studies are made at WINEP with this caliber of "fellows" on board.

This sentence is priceless though :"It would dramatically embolden Teheran at a time when Washington hopes to negotiate an end to Iran's nuclear weapons program, its support for terrorism and its escalating efforts -- frequently using Hezbollah operatives -- to subvert pro-U.S. governments across the Arab world from Iraq to Egypt to Morocco."

Seriously, the Obama administration should invite Nayla Mouawad to prune the rose garden in the White House asap or "Hezbollah operatives" might take control of the entire middle east and the oil on which it floats.
Perfect example how the institutions set into motion years ago outlive even the Obama administration....the neocon legacy is still dominating, with their fine tuned brainwashing....and some Lebanese are excellent neocon pupils
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Perfect example how the institutions set into motion years ago outlive even the Obama administration....the neocon legacy is still dominating, with their fine tuned brainwashing....and some Lebanese are excellent neocon pupils
True, neocon rhetoric is far from withdrawal for the time being and it is expected to become more feirce especially regarding Hezbollah. But to be fair, it does not seem to be giving any fruits in drastically changing public opinion.
Any US administration will do what's in their best interest and there will come a day when their best interest will be to disregard those rhetorics and sober up to the reality at hand.
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