Universities elections 2009/2010

[Comrade Bassam]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

if the druze voters sit on the sideline

FPM will win in most universities.

If druze sit on the sideline, FPM loses its essence of existence!

Wlak what kind of a hell of a statement is this?????

Are you joking or what???????????????????????????

Wloooooooooooooooooh

[Comrade Bassam]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

In AUB, FPM is probably the second strongest force on the ground (parmi the top 3).

"FPM" is the #1 force of influence (parties taken individually) on ground at AUB since early 90s.
All other parties faded and came back and faded and came back while "FPM" maintained and continuously reinforced its roots in the grounds.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Lebanesegirl

No ur wrong! The US is a civilized country and there is no political elections in Universities!! These kind of elections are useless in Lebanon! students should focus on studying and not on political parties!! If FPM got the education ministry my advice to them is to ban these kind of elections!

Lebanesegirl with all due respect, you're wrong.

In the US, Canada, Europe and every other country university students elect their representitives. The elections might not be the way it's done in Lebanon, but nevertheless you have elections and in most of the cases politics play a big role. And when I say politics it's not necessarily Democrats VS Republicans or Left VS right, in most of the cases nationalities play a big role.

For example here in Canada, you see the jews against arabs, Latinos against other nationalities etc etc...

It's the case in most civilised countries because these elections will teach the candidates and the voters the essence of the most democratic act in our life: elections. Participating in these elections will teach the candidate how to do a democtratic campaign, how to debate, how to think wisely and the voter will learn how to choose and the process of voting.

What you learn in universities will help you in life later. If you were a candidate you might want to get involved in politics and use your university experience , and voters will learn how to vote democratically in real politics.

Thank you!!

[dodzi]

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

Excuse me?
AUB is the only stronghold that FPM (not the stupid one the media shows you) maintains straight since 1994!

And FPM's strength at AUB is not only measured in the number of seats, but also in how much our human and national objectives as FPM are met on all levels (clubs, societies, faculty representation, student treatment, cultural activity and level, community dynamism, administrative treatment, quality of facilities, campus atmosphere, individual students awareness in all fields, etc... etc... etc...).

And FPM is very strong in representative seats at all levels.

So please neither compare AUB's system with other places nor compare AUB's FPM group to any other group elsewhere.

I perhaps misspoke. In no way did I mean, but weaker than the loyalists (put together). Unless I'm mistaken, we might get a high number of seats at AUB, but the opposition usually gets less seats than the loyalists. Am I not correct?

On the other hand, at USJ, FPM is bigger than all loyalists put together.

But since USJ is won almost every year by FPM, USJ decided to organize the elections based on Proportional Representation. On the other hand, AUB elections are very tight every year, but the loyalists usually get more seats than FPM (correct me if I'm wrong, but please use some official numbers). However, a Proportional Representation at AUB's elections would grant us more seats wouldn't it?

[December Rain]

Originally Posted by Tayyar Keserwen

In AUB, FPM is probably the second strongest force on the ground (parmi the top 3).

Originally Posted by Comrade Bassam

"FPM" is the #1 force of influence (parties taken individually) on ground at AUB since early 90s.
All other parties faded and came back and faded and came back while "FPM" maintained and continuously reinforced its roots in the grounds.

i agree on what CB said, FPM has been the number one electoral power at AUB throughout the 90's and the 2000's, but it's power might not be so obvious because of the sectarian diversity at AUB.....

in the last 4 years the Future movement has strongly emerged as an electoral power at AUB, the reason for that (even though i don't like to seem sectarian but we need to state things as they are) is the percentage of sunnis in the university, in addition to all the palestinians and jordanians who vote in their majority with the FM.

we shouldn't fail to mention the hariri money factor, for example Hariri sponsors a big number of students at the business school which guarantees a landslide victory in this faculty every year for FM, this faculty on its own is 19 seats out of 93 so every year FPM has to take into account that they're starting with a 19-seat deficit in the SRC, and 3-seat deficit out of 17 in the USFC.

the battle at AUB is hard, it has been so every year since 2005, and no matter what happens FPM will again prove to be a main electoral power if not the first then second (after FM) at worst, taken alone of course.

[December Rain]

Originally Posted by dodzi

I perhaps misspoke. In no way did I mean, but weaker than the loyalists (put together). Unless I'm mistaken, we might get a high number of seats at AUB, but the opposition usually gets less seats than the loyalists. Am I not correct?

On the other hand, at USJ, FPM is bigger than all loyalists put together.

But since USJ is won almost every year by FPM, USJ decided to organize the elections based on Proportional Representation. On the other hand, AUB elections are very tight every year, but the loyalists usually get more seats than FPM (correct me if I'm wrong, but please use some official numbers). However, a Proportional Representation at AUB's elections would grant us more seats wouldn't it?

The electoral law at AUB is not as simple, the way they make it sound in the newspapers the day after the elections is misleading. At AUB what's important is who gets to control the USFC. u can get a much lesser number of seats in the SRC but still manage to win the USFC, hence practically the elections.to win the USFC what's important is the number of faculties u win and which faculties u win.

for simplicity purposes i'll assume that AUB is only made of 2 faculties: the faculty of arts and sciences and the faculty of business.

the faculty of Arts and sciences has 24 SRC seats and 5 USFC seats, the winners of the SRC seats elect the 5 USFC seats.

The school of business has 19 SRC and 3 USFC, the 19 SRC elect the 3 USFC.

Now if FPM gets 13 out 24 SRC for arts and sciences they will be able to elect the 5 USFC. FM will get 11 SRC but not a single USFC.

FM usually wins the school of business 19-0, they will be able to elect the 3 USFC.

in total FPM won 13 SRC seats and 5 USFC, FM won 30 SRC and 3 USFC.
USFC are usually elected one week after the SRC elections, so the newspapers report usually the SRC results the next day which is misleading since in this case it will look as if FM won with a big margin 30-13, but in fact FPM won since it got 5 USFC and FM got 3 and this is what's important.

[hiptanaka]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

if the druze voters sit on the sideline

FPM will win in most universities.

word.

I have nothing against the Druze, and many of my close friends / old classmates were Druze, but I can tell you for a fact that they make up a good 15-20% of the AUB student population. That and they only managed a marginal win over the opposition in last year's election.

[Cyclops]

AUB has a very strong Christian society.. sorry for the sectarian attitude.. and most of them are FPM... It's true that they are very active... nevertheless, FM is giving scholarships to many students, Walid Junblat is also giving scholarships (I know some of these students).... in addition to the Arab presence mostly Jordanians and Palestinians (not Hamas of course) and they give their votes blindly to 14 March.... being active is something, and having the population is something else...

[Booyakasha]

Originally Posted by hiptanaka

word.

Druze students account for a good 20% of AUB, i can tell you that. That and they only managed a marginal win over the opposition in last year's election.

Excellent then. The 'Druze' as you label them as a group won't participate. FPM will win. Woohoo-Great success. And then?

What is FPM or any other party trying to prove? You won: SO WHAT!? What's the goal behind all of this knowing that the real elections took place in July??

As I said in a previous post, use this energy (and money) to do something useful to strengthen the party and its image instead of those medieval 'programless'-lead-to-nowhere-elections.

Is it possible to add a poll to see who;s in favor of FPM (or his party) participating in university elections? - Thanks

[aboulzouz]

Originally Posted by Booyakasha

Excellent then. The 'Druze' as you label them as a group won't participate. FPM will win. Woohoo-Great success. And then?

What is FPM or any other party trying to prove? You won: SO WHAT!? What's the goal behind all of this knowing that the real elections took place in July??

As I said in a previous post, use this energy (and money) to do something useful to strengthen the party and its image instead of those medieval 'programless'-lead-to-nowhere-elections.

Is it possible to add a poll to see who;s in favor of the elections or not? - Thanks

In douzième Jaune, I will be presenting for the next election of "responsable du tableau". I'll erase the board and chouf min 3am ye7ke when the teacher smokes a cigarette in the corridor.

I will be FPM's candidate and I promise a maximum of 1 X next to the name of speaking students.