"there is no democracy in lebanon.if there is democracy hassan nasrallah would have been president"

[orange infection]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Those are not real, they're both fake hypocrites. I'd be classified as a Lord in that sense. Labels and titles don't define what you are on the inside. Actions speak louder than words.

other ppl see SHN as the not real and sfer as the REAL REAL
so that's not really an argument
after the teklif shar3eh of your shn , 101% of us thought that SHN is not real also ........ no offense

i agree with those who are against religious ppl ruling lebanon
religious ppl should only mind their prayers , and stay away from other ppl's business

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

And that is why you've chosen 'Taifoon' as a nickname? I am not trying to uncover the secret behind the name like some did to others coz ma khassne :D. It's all freedom of nickname choice.

No one's prefect. I admit my huge mistake, Dalzi. You see, at least I have the courage to admit that Me, Gods and Prophets, we share a common mistake: We fail sometimes to properly estimate the probability of being hugely misinterpreted

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by orange infection

other ppl see SHN as the not real and sfer as the REAL REAL
so that's not really an argument
after the teklif shar3eh of your shn , 101% of us thought that SHN is not real also ........ no offense

i agree with those who are against religious ppl ruling lebanon
religious ppl should only mind their prayers , and stay away from other ppl's business

The only real is SHN. Actions speak louder than words and he speaks glory.

http://forum.tayyar.org/891505-post13.html

We Muslims do not set barriers between religion and politics. If you are religious, it doesn't mean you have to be a lunatic who sits and prays all day.

No offence at all, we are entitled to our own understandings. To me the Pope who praises America, for example, is the biggest heathen on earth. Again, no offence.

[General my General!]

Galloway's one entertaining guy! Thanks MS for the repeat.

I think on a 1000 step staircase to secularism and informed democracy, Lebanon is maybe around 50, a few steps in front of Israel. Also we shouldn't confuse sectarianism with racism.

As to the most entertaining, potent and stimulating discussion on who'd be president, and whose the greatest sect, I leave that to much greater minds! Maybe when our descendants are at step 150 they can stop these hilarious debates.

On the nicks, you guys are way off topic, let's analyze each other in the lounge's explain your nick.

[superduper703]

Let's say, for argument's sake, that Hassan Nasrallah is voted president of the Lebanese Republic. Do you think he will respect the constitution or will he impose Shari'a laws? Will Christians become "Ahl zoumma"? Will people be able to buy alcohol and consume it in public? etc. etc.

[orange infection]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

The only real is SHN. Actions speak louder than words and he speaks glory.

http://forum.tayyar.org/891505-post13.html

We Muslims do not set barriers between religion and politics. If you are religious, it doesn't mean you have to be a lunatic who sits and prays all day.

No offence at all, we are entitled to our own understandings. To me the Pope who praises America, for example, is the biggest heathen on earth. Again, no offence.

e7em e7em
no one was offending islam or something ........
but you wrote that so u can try to explain why he did that teklif shar3eh while it was completely wrong
not just because he made ppl vote for the wrong side , forcing ppl to vote to any side is wrong


that was the main reason why lebanese are divided , coz they are ruled by religious men , and everyone of them will work for the sake of his religion (or himself claiming that it's for his relgion) , wich might contradict or stand in the way of another religion's interest and will lead to a conflict ( this is the main subject here)

The only real is SHN. Actions speak louder than words and he speaks glory.

u are talking metel ka2eno hal shi mnel mousallamet
a lot of ppl don't think like that , that's just the way shiites think .......if that's enough for you , then accept the fact that if there's a real democracy in lebanon my dad would be president just coz my family think so

[Greg Davis]

Hassan Nisrallah already is a president.

He is the comander in chief of the Nation he and his supporters have created, in the southern suburbs of Beirut and the South of Lebanon. Just because they haven't declared their independance doesn't mean they are not a nation.

What defines a nation?

A nation is a group of people that share Land, law of that land, foreign policy, economy, army, infrastructure and internal security.

Hizbullah have their own "no-go" zones labelled "secutity zones", that only their supporters can access
Hizbullah supporters are above the law ( Lebanese Law)
Hizbullah's foreign policy is not shared by a majority of the Lebanese
Hizbullah have their own economy, that cannot be audited or scrutinized by the government
We havent forgotted about the infrastructure issue of may last year
As to the internal security, we all know what happens to the ISF if they dare venture into the Dahiyeh
Lets not forget the Hizbullah army

So spare us the crapp ya Mehdi Soldier and why don't you and your leader just declare your independance and spare us to having to deal with picking up the pieces, everytime you embark on an adventure with Israel

[Zghertewe]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Hassan Nisrallah already is a president.

He is the comander in chief of the Nation he and his supporters have created, in the southern suburbs of Beirut and the South of Lebanon. Just because they haven't declared their independance doesn't mean they are not a nation.

What defines a nation?

A nation is a group of people that share Land, law of that land, foreign policy, economy, army, infrastructure and internal security.

Hizbullah have their own "no-go" zones labelled "secutity zones", that only their supporters can access
Hizbullah supporters are above the law ( Lebanese Law)
Hizbullah's foreign policy is not shared by a majority of the Lebanese
Hizbullah have their own economy, that cannot be audited or scrutinized by the government
We havent forgotted about the infrastructure issue of may last year
As to the internal security, we all know what happens to the ISF if they dare venture into the Dahiyeh
Lets not forget the Hizbullah army

So spare us the crapp ya Mehdi Soldier and why don't you and your leader just declare your independance and spare us to having to deal with picking up the pieces, everytime you embark on an adventure with Israel

Where was the Lebanese government when the south was occupied?
Where was the Lebanese army when the south was occupied?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when those people in the south were being killed and bombarded daily?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the kids of the south could not go to school?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the people of the south could not have a normal life?
The rest of Lebanon was neyim 3ala harir, partying and having fun. We didn't even care about the south, we didn't bother to help those people and we did not even consider them as part of Lebanon.
God Bless them and I wish we were Lebanese like them.

[Random]

Originally Posted by Zghertewe

Where was the Lebanese government when the south was occupied?
Where was the Lebanese army when the south was occupied?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when those people in the south were being killed and bombarded daily?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the kids of the south could not go to school?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the people of the south could not have a normal life?
The rest of Lebanon was neyim 3ala harir, partying and having fun. We didn't even care about the south, we didn't bother to help those people and we did not even consider them as part of Lebanon.
God Bless them and I wish we were Lebanese like them.

Oh dear Lord, spare us your poetic speech, will you? It's not like people in the south where the only ones living in difficult conditions, eveyone in Lebanon has had their share of suffering, and it's sad but true. What people in the south went through because of the israeli occupation was felt elsewhere in Lebanon because of the syrian presence.
And then the army is constantly accused of being weak and then asked why it didn't play a role in south, which by the way wasn't accessible to the army until a couple of years ago.
No one in Lebanon is better than anyone else, and no one is more lebanese.

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by Zghertewe

Where was the Lebanese government when the south was occupied?
Where was the Lebanese army when the south was occupied?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when those people in the south were being killed and bombarded daily?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the kids of the south could not go to school?
Where was the rest of Lebanon when the people of the south could not have a normal life?
The rest of Lebanon was neyim 3ala harir, partying and having fun. We didn't even care about the south, we didn't bother to help those people and we did not even consider them as part of Lebanon.
God Bless them and I wish we were Lebanese like them.

Ya Zghertawi

When the south was occupied, Lebanon was split into many semi autonomous enclaves. The difference now is that the "then" enclaves have given up the fundamentals of autonomy and agreed to surpass the past, and rebuild a nation. That also includes the Marada " whom you support".

Hassan Nisrallah and his enclave have maintained their autonomous state, despite the fact that all other factions have been able to move on.

The issue is clear and Hizbullah have a choice to make