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The last person i will vote for to become president is a religious person (from any sect), and that's the case for many many of those who are fanatic opposition supporters.
What's the problem with religious people?
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You look like you need to change nick, mehdi, after which you join FPM, or any other party of your choice that strives for secularism & democracy.

Ya me7tel, I guess your topic's title was deliberately malformed to draw maximum attention, while asking for a thing and what appears to be its shocking opposite at the same time.

In a secular and democratic system, you won't even need to wink at a sect's majority status in order for you to forward a certain figure's right to be president, army leader or teacher. Anyways, it looks like we belong to the generation who has the pleasure to "talk" so much the thing, but will never walk it
your words and insinuation are the same racism and discrimination we are talking about.because am "mehdi" or "hussain",i have no right to be democratic.the last time i checked secularism isnt meant to discriminate against religion.there are religious parties in secular countries.how they fare depends on their popularity and appeal to the people.the essence of having a secular state is to guaranty freedom of worship/belief and freedom of choice and freedom of speech.its not the opposite way.

perhaps our president needs to change his name from "michel".among the three heads of state,its only the president of the republic whose name is of religious significance.
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True, but he'd be the last to have interest in such a position. It doesn't suit him...

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how it is supposed to have a real democracy if the use of Taklif Shar3i would make most of the people vote for a certain candidate ?

Before talking about democracy i would prefere to erase the secterian way of life from the heads of the lebanese ( all the lebanese) in order not to take "orders" neither in form of a taklif shar3i nor in a form of "3izat el a7ad" wa ou3zira man anzara
Why did you give such a response? We're the vast majority. Lubnan lana wa na7nu lahu. What's the big deal? I think the Shiaa are over 40% based on what I've seen. And mind you, those abroad are much more than anyone can ever imagine. We've got over 6000 from our little village with Australian passports. And that's only the Australian. So go figure.

You misunderstand what a takleef shar3e is, and it certainly doesn't apply in this context. In short, when you promise someone something, you have to fulfil that promise. That's what a takleef shar3e asks of you when two parties unite during elections. So in other words, no backstabbing. There is no such thing as someone telling you 'you have to vote for me', but there could be such a thing (to who 'choose' to follow) when unity with others is the subject.

You cannot 'force' anyone with a takleef shar3e. And you cannot 'create' based on nothing. As I said up there, it's about fulfilling a promise:

ألإسلام يؤكد بوجوب رعاية العهد


“وَالْمُوفُونَ بِعَهْدِهِمْ إِذَا عَاهَدُواْ "

So, all that takleef serves is a reminder. You don't need a takleef shar3e to tell you not to backstab those you gave a promise to. We all know that already

Besides, we're hardly doing anything the shar3 is telling us to do, so how you manage to arrive to your conclusion up there, I fail to understand. When you talk takleef shar3e, you talk of someone who is basically '3ala siraten mustaqeem', not ordinary humans who don't even do their religious obligations to start with. I'd say someone who does give that amount of concern to "fulfilling a promise" has got to be an angel from the heavens. How many of those do we have?

When we vote, we don't vote la shar3 wala ballout, we vote conscience. I'd feel guilty if I don't vote for what HA see appropriate if I don't spot any danger they are putting themselves in.

Democracy is your right to choose what you want. Ma 7ada 7emel saroukh bwejj 7ada. If we vote what we vote, we do it because we believe it falls within our interest. A mistake was made before because we were honest with those who deserved to be killed rather than backstabbed.

P.S. I didn't vote last time.
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According to the current statistics of the Lebanese interior ministery, Shiites make up only 26% of the voting population, making them the second largest sect in Lebanon and nowhere near the >50% required to be a majority. Sunnis are closer to 27%, the Christians combined are 39-40% and the Druze about 5-6%. I doubt that many people outside the Shiite sect would vote for Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah to be president and I understand that he will not win the votes of all Shiites. I think that Sayyed Hassan would only win about 20% of the vote and that George Gallaway needs to do a bit more study.
...according to the koraytem census?or does it take into account the palestinian refugees?maybe we need a census to settle this issue once and for all.how about that?sure you would be the first to reject the idea of holding a census because you're scared of the truth.and galloway is right;its being over 50 years we didnt have a census.why?
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What's the problem with religious people?
They're the best. At least you know that you can trust them.
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According to the current statistics of the Lebanese interior ministery, Shiites make up only 26% of the voting population, making them the second largest sect in Lebanon and nowhere near the >50% required to be a majority. Sunnis are closer to 27%, the Christians combined are 39-40% and the Druze about 5-6%. I doubt that many people outside the Shiite sect would vote for Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah to be president and I understand that he will not win the votes of all Shiites. I think that Sayyed Hassan would only win about 20% of the vote and that George Gallaway needs to do a bit more study.
BS statistics.

Why are you so worked out over it anyway? Funny. This kind of response is sectarian.

I don't see the imporatnce of such a discussion anyway. The presidency seat doesn't suit religious men. SHN can never fit as a 'president' of a coutnry because he is a religious man, a national symbol, and a leader of a reistance. If we were to say leader of the Arab world, I'd say yes that suits him. Can you imagine SHN as a Lebanese president! A sayyed as a president for Lebanon?!

Galloway has a point, but he has definitely chosen the wrong candidate
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your words and insinuation are the same racism and discrimination we are talking about.because am "mehdi" or "hussain",i have no right to be democratic.the last time i checked secularism isnt meant to discriminate against religion.there are religious parties in secular countries.how they fare depends on their popularity and appeal to the people.the essence of having a secular state is to guaranty freedom of worship/belief and freedom of choice and freedom of speech.its not the opposite way.

perhaps our president needs to change his name from "michel".among the three heads of state,its only the president of the republic whose name is of religious significance.
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For the same matter, it wouldn't matter much if Michel Sleiman was renamed Tut Ankh Amon or 3afif, this isn't exactly what I'm here to discuss, you got it all wrong especially the part about having a religious figure reside over a secular system. Mixing sour and sweet in politics is bad taste. And yes, I do know that living harmoniously in a secular society does not contradict practicing own faith, at home or in worshiping houses.
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They're the best. At least you know that you can trust them.
Jouzou?
Sfeir?

Just to name a few...
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Jouzou?
Sfeir?

Just to name a few...
Those are not real, they're both fake hypocrites. I'd be classified as a Lord in that sense. Labels and titles don't define what you are on the inside. Actions speak louder than words.
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"there is no democracy in lebanon.if there is democracy hassan nasrallah would have being president
Democracy or not, chances of Nassrallah becoming a president are as good as GMA's chances.... Null......
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