Thank you FPM & Opposition for defending Lebanese Armenian rights

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by J. Abizeid

It’s funny how we get distracted talking about HA arms with an imaginary fear while forgetting about our poverty and lack of representation in the our own government,

Today, GMA is fighting to secure his people’s fair and just representation while Geagea and company are putting the stick in the wheel.

I wonder if the Christians that hate GMA have any clue what GMA is doing for them and their children’s security.
If they still believe that GMA’s power came from Iran and Syria, (which is not true) they might want to thank Iran and Syria after all,

J.,

You know we think alike and I always enjoy your threads and posts. Your post though just robbed me the opportunity to surprise the ‘forumers’ with my 'Thank You Syria!’ thread that I started working on today.

The title is intended to make the ‘forumers’ interested in reading the thread but the point is that while Syria and for purely strategic reasons worked very hard on strengthening the Christians in Lebanon at the expense of the Sunnis in order to reduce the Sunni hold on power and the threat it presents to the Syrian regime, the Christians leaders such as the Patriarch, Geagea, and the 14ners completely missed the opportunity as they move blinded with their hate, jealousy, ambitions...

The reason I call it opportunity is simply because Jumblatt and Harriri used the Syrians and through bloody conflicts to completely overtake the Christians and establish their dictatorship, instead of simply trying to reach a balanced system. While the Christians leaders could have tried to benefit from the change, improved their position, and simply aimed at a balanced system. It has been proven time and again that the Christian leaders, most of them, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[sailormoon]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

PS: Armenians in beirut outnumber the maronites.

That s what i fail to understand . when you go to Beirut you can easily notice that the Armenians are a rare commodity , a very tiny minority, while in places like Ashrafiyeh, Gemmayzeh, madhaf, hay el siryen etc... Maronites, Catholics and Syriacs are the big majority. on the other hand the western part of Beirut (Hamra, Basta,Kraytem etc...) are Sunnis strongholds with a growing Shii minority some Druzes (caracol el Druze) and few Christians (Catholics, injiliyye, Orthodox).

[kubica]

Michel Aounyan & Hasan Nasrallahyan

[Ana]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

How Shias and Christians are traditionally close in Lebanon ? to be honest Christians and Shias have very few things in common to share on the cultural,historical and political level. Maronites are much more closer to Druzes or Jews .

Did you every consider how and why there are Shiaa in the middle of Jbeil and why there are maronites in the middle of Jabal Amel i.e. the south?? These are the stories you never see in our history books.

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Ana

Did you every consider how and why there are Shiaa in the middle of Jbeil and why there are maronites in the middle of Jabal Amel i.e. the south?? These are the stories you never see in our history books.

I think all sects in Lebanon are close to each other...
When they are not, look for a foreign beneficiary...

[kubica]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

That s what i fail to understand . when you go to Beirut you can easily notice that the Armenians are a rare commodity , a very tiny minority, while in places like Ashrafiyeh, Gemmayzeh, madhaf, hay el siryen etc... Maronites, Catholics and Syriacs are the big majority. on the other hand the western part of Beirut (Hamra, Basta,Kraytem etc...) are Sunnis strongholds with a growing Shii minority some Druzes (caracol el Druze) and few Christians (Catholics, injiliyye, Orthodox).

Do note many voters of beirut live in maten areas..

me as an example...

[Ana]

Originally Posted by CitizenOfTheRepublic

I think all sects in Lebanon are close to each other...
When they are not, look for a foreign beneficiary...

I think you missed my point - I was talking about history and how for example Christians migrated to Jabal Amel at one point and took refuge within the Shiite population because they were oppressed by the Turks. This is just an example to point to the fact that there are ties between Maronites and Shiites.

[CitizenOfTheRepublic]

Originally Posted by Ana

I think you missed my point - I was talking about history and how for example Christians migrated to Jabal Amel at one point and took refuge within the Shiite population because they were oppressed by the Turks. This is just an example to point to the fact that there are ties between Maronites and Shiites.

No no, I got your point...
I was just pointing out that since Lebanon is the refuge of the oppressed minorities, there are many such examples.
Sheltering as I like to call it was not limited between two particular sects, it is rather common to all.
Every single sect in Lebanon with no exception was at some point in time the object of oppression and was successfully sheltered by another one...

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by sailormoon

when i look at the repartition of seats in Beirut the first thing i notice is that it is not fair and conform to the demography. the Armenians have 4/19 seats while we all know that this number is far from being proportional to their actual real demographic size. enno come on , the Maronites have one seat while their population is far more numerous than the Armenians, the Sunnas have 6 seats while they re like 20 times more numerous than the Arman, same with the Shias who have 2 seats while their number in Beirut is growing (especially in areas like Basta, Zokak al Blat, Mar Elias etc...)

Beirut being the Capital, they try to give everyone "representation" in it, especially the minorities who might be dispersed in insufficient small groups in other areas. Why didn't you question how come the Druze have 1 MP in Beirut when they barely have 2-3 thousand voters there? If you take the Druze numbers as your baseline instead of the number of Sunnis, would you then say that the Armenians should get over 20 MPs in Beirut since they have 55,000 voters?

Yes, many minorities are somewhat over-represented in Beirut to make all feel as an integral part of the country... but the under-representation of the major sects (Sunni, Shiite, and Maronite) is not as bad as you're trying to make it look. The average number of voters per MP for these major sects is not out of line with other areas or districts... you could say, it's quite comparable.

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[Icebolt]

Many posts in this thread were deleted bc they were off-topic.

Keep in mind that this thread is not about Ain Ebel's massacre in the beginning of the 1920s, nor about shiites having blood on their hands, nor about the turkish atrocities.