Terror hits Lebanon again, the army targeted in Tripoli for the second time.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Socio-Economic conditions in our case

The issue is much bigger than this. Overlapping borders...and have to say well co-ordinated from somewhere not Lebanon.

The ultimate goal is to prevent a strong LA and to maintain a constant fear and chaos on the scene.

Sometime later in the future maybe we will get once to the socio-economic issues as well.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by dodzi

I remember talking about this when the Nahr el-Bared incidents started... I don't think people are smart enough to realize the importance of this...

Orientals (Levanters) are an emotional bunch, they tend to go to the path of least resistance (ie countering violence with violence) instead of going the long and hard way of working on the social and economic aspects that harvest such extremist violence.

For example, people do not realize that enhancing Palestinian refugees' conditions is in fact to the advantage of the Lebanese... Oh, would they say, you want to naturalize them! While forgetting that their naturalization (or lack of) will be the result of a regional/international decision and not because of a betterment of living conditions. A worsening of living conditions in camps will lead to the strengthening of the local/foreign terrorist haven.

On a second note, the same poor living conditions that are facing large Lebanese communities in the North also lead to a local pool of extremists ready to die/kill at will since they have nothing left to lose.

Originally Posted by Salome

The issue is much bigger than this. Overlapping borders...and have to say well co-ordinated from somewhere not Lebanon.

The ultimate goal is to prevent a strong LA and to maintain a constant fear and chaos on the scene.

Sometime later in the future maybe we will get once to the socio-economic issues as well.

And what caused the rise of the terrorists to a position where they can do harm?

You're addressing the symptoms, which is fine... but we shouldn't necessarily treat the cause at a latter stage as both matters need to be processed in parallel.

[Chief]

our ever lasting source of problems: Palestinians and their hubs

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Chief

our ever lasting source of problems: Palestinians and their hubs

What do the Palestinians have to do with the "Lebanese" radicals in Tripoli? It was the Lebanese leaders who funded those groups. Our everlasting disease: Shove all the blame on the poor Palestinians as if they're living in La La Land.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

And what caused the rise of the terrorists to a position where they can do harm?

You're addressing the symptoms, which is fine... but we shouldn't necessarily treat the cause at a latter stage as both matters need to be processed in parallel.

Before Cause and Syptoms, we need strong security forces to prevent such terrorists from attacking the army. If not to prevent, at least to catch the criminals after the terrorist act is done.

Without security, no Causes and no Syptoms can be treated.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

FM and extremist groups are not the same, although in many cases FM funded extremism.

but they are not the same for this one reason, we need to find a way and live with a lice-free FM party.
as for terror extermists, we just need to send them to their death and nothing else.

Words of wisdom. It'd be more or less like lumping one group into a wahhabi sac and another into an LF one.

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Before Cause and Syptoms, we need strong security forces to prevent such terrorists from attacking the army. If not to prevent, at least to catch the criminals after the terrorist act is done.

Without security, no Causes and no Syptoms can be treated.

You're asking for too much ;). You need security from those who control the security.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Before Cause and Syptoms, we need strong security forces to prevent such terrorists from attacking the army. If not to prevent, at least to catch the criminals after the terrorist act is done.

Without security, no Causes and no Syptoms can be treated.

Well GMA forever, intelligence/security forces are also part of the cause, that is an obvious matter, however socio-economic conditions are an integral part of national security... a fact that many prosperous nations have realized long time ago.

[Salome]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

Before Cause and Syptoms, we need strong security forces to prevent such terrorists from attacking the army. If not to prevent, at least to catch the criminals after the terrorist act is done.

Without security, no Causes and no Syptoms can be treated.

Sadly we are almost at ground 0, the very survival is at risk, talking about living conditions of Palestinians is not a priority now. These issues come later, when there is a strong army (sorry DI but I hope you dont think seriously for a second that we shall improve the refugee camp conditions before strengthening the Army) and when there is an accountable government, free of corrupt and criminal leaders.

Till you have the biggest thieves in the highest seats, forget about socio-economic issues.

[teshesh]

Originally Posted by Chief

our ever lasting source of problems: Palestinians and their hubs

what palestinians have to do with this? kill ma da2 el kouz bill jarra, yalla: kill the pals, storm the camps, send them back to their country (as if this was possible), ....

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Salome

sorry DI but I hope you dont think seriously for a second that we shall improve the refugee camp conditions before strengthening the Army

I have already said that both matters are in parallel, furthermore improving living conditions strengthens the army