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Our army is paying the ultimate price once again, and by the look of things, it won't be the last, unless we declare war on terror and clean the country from those terrorists sells spread in the north.
The north, the south, east and west and in every place where we still have security blackholes where active teorrist cells are hatched out around the clock.

Let's see how many such blows we're preapred to take this time before we either finish them off, once and for all, or they do us, piece by piece.
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Treat the cause, not the symptom... well treat the symptom as well but treat the cause first and foremost.
While I can't but agree with you, we have a big problem which prevent us from treating the cause and the symptom.

The only thing we officially know indeed is the number of victims, as usual...

Who is responsible ? Does it / he have a strong popular and / or political support ?

When you know nothing officially about your enemy, then...

I mean if it is a group with a strong popular support, then we'll have to educate people and deal with our economic situation to treat the cause and to deal accordingly with the group to ensure the security.

If it is a small group with no popular support, then we'll have to blame the incompetence of our political representatives.

I have my opinion about those who are responsible and many here have their opinion too. I insisted though on the term "officially" to avoid any discussion which would turn into a speculative one.
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It is not only the camps. There is alot of people who have weapons, bombs etc. The LAF cannot stand idle anymore. This is not a political issue but a security one. It is not taking sides if they clean up this ****. They need to go in all areas and catch all people who have weapons and put them in jail. Our army has paid enough blood. Poor army. They are defending our country and no one is defending them.
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Qu'on le veuille ou pas, les extremistes se sont infiltrés au Liban. Que ca soit sous la couverture de Saad ou des Saudis ou meme des syriens... le resultat est là.
Ils ont trouvé abri et très naturellement dans un environnement favorable surtout parmi les sunnites de tripoli, de Nhr el Bared , un peu à Akkar, et dans le camps palestinien de Ain El Helwe à Saida.
S'attaquer à eux en arretant les suspects va provoquer de violentes réactions des députés sunnites entre autres de ces régions surtout que les élections approchent.
on a déjà vu un échantillon de proclamations demandant la libération des islamistes tenus lors des affrontements de Bared.
Il faut être très prudent en approchant cette affaire très délicate..
La meilleure approche serait peut être de finir avec le camp palestinien de Ain El Helwe en ayant l'appui des Leaders sunnites du pays, et de petit à petit encerclé les groupes terroristes au nord avec aussi l'appui de ces mêmes leaders, pour ne pas transformer l'affaire en une guerre contre les sunnites...
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what is the cause ?
Is it only salafist groups or is it something more than this?
Socio-Economic conditions in our case
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Qu'on le veuille ou pas, les extremistes se sont infiltrés au Liban. Que ca soit sous la couverture de Saad ou des Saudis ou meme des syriens... le resultat est là.
Ils ont trouvé abri et très naturellement dans un environnement favorable surtout parmi les sunnites de tripoli, de Nhr el Bared , un peu à Akkar, et dans le camps palestinien de Ain El Helwe à Saida.
S'attaquer à eux en arretant les suspects va provoquer de violentes réactions des députés sunnites entre autres de ces régions surtout que les élections approchent.
on a déjà vu un échantillon de proclamations demandant la libération des islamistes tenus lors des affrontements de Bared.
Il faut être très prudent en approchant cette affaire très délicate..
La meilleure approche serait peut être de finir avec le camp palestinien de Ain El Helwe en ayant l'appui des Leaders sunnites du pays, et de petit à petit encerclé les groupes terroristes au nord avec aussi l'appui de ces mêmes leaders, pour ne pas transformer l'affaire en une guerre contre les sunnites...
Et ce qu'il faudrait faire de manière urgente aussi, c'est couper l'herbe sous les pieds des islamistes en engageant une véritable politique économique de développement concernant les régions ciblées par ces islamistes, véritables terreaux de recrutement.

Le poblème est que pour ce faire et compte tenu de notre forme de société, nous avons besoin d'un consensus de la part de la classe politique.

Les seigneurs locaux accepteraient-ils l'idée de permettre un véritable développement économique des régions périphériques de Beyrouth alors que la conséquence, à terme, d'un tel développement serait l'affranchissement des habitants de leurs actuels "seigneurs" et "prestataires de services" en tout genre ?

L'exemple de la CDR est particulièrement peu engageant. Les Libanais devraient en tirer les conséquences qui s'imposent, lors des prochaines élections afin de faire un premier pas vers la modernisation et la rationalisation de notre société.

Sur le plan sécuritaire, je n'attends pas grand chose d'autres que des proclamations de bonnes intentions, comme d'habitude. Certains politiciens s'opposeront à un désarmement des islamistes et autres groupuscules gravitant on sait où...sous le prétexte des armes de la résistance. La question sécuritaire nous rappelle l'urgence d'envisager sans délai une solution telle que celle évoquée dans l'accord CPL/Hezbollah, tout en la développant, la précisant et même l'amendant pour le besoin d'effectivité.
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Let's see how many such blows we're preapred to take this time before we either finish them off, once and for all, or they do us, piece by piece.
As tempting as the bold may sound, it remains part of fantasy world. Our greatest error was that we didn't use "violence" to storm the serail and kick them to Mars when we had to. There you go, pay the price for being "sweety cuties". If i had a son who'd want to fight for that country, i'd shoot him in the feet before he walks out the house. Why do we die while the leaders live?
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FM and extremist groups are not the same, although in many cases FM funded extremism.

but they are not the same for this one reason, we need to find a way and live with a lice-free FM party.
as for terror extermists, we just need to send them to their death and nothing else.
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Only last month SH militias were cheering the mouslem extremists.

Now, we need to get rid of them. The army cannot handle them. Its been weakened by constant attacks on its performance and its patriotism by the 14 Febs. What are the alternatives ?

1) To lift their morale . We need to unite and openly support them with candle vigils / media / prayers by hanging flags on our balconies .

2) The people of the north have to fight beside them , like the resistance did to free france of the nazis. They can also help them by identifying their hideouts and flushing them out like rats.

Tripoli is not "Kal3at El Mouslamin", Tripoli is the "Capital of the North" and the patriot commoners who have always paid the price for the desperate corrupt rich and greedy politicians.
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I remember talking about this when the Nahr el-Bared incidents started... I don't think people are smart enough to realize the importance of this...
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