Tawtin is fezey3a

[LebDocNCali]

Originally Posted by X

المسؤول السياسي للجماعة الاسلامية في الجنوب بسام حمود "ونحن في هذا المقام، نجدد مطالبتنا للحكومة اللبنانية بضرورة اقرار التشريعات التي تمكن الشعب الفلسطيني المقيم في لبنان من العيش بكرامة واعطائه كافة حقوقه المدنية والاجتماعية والانسانية والسياسية وبخاصة حق التملك وحق العمل الى حين عودته الى بلاده المحررة من البحر الى النهر".

In case you were wondering, the "جماعة الاسلامية" are now officially part of the Quatorze movement and have MPs.

I am with giving a residency to the palistinians; but not a citizenship. They will contribute to local economy, pay taxes but can't vote or carry a lebanese passport. They are humans after all and need to move on with their lifes.

[Bebsi]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Don't they have MPs in the current parliament? I am seriously asking.
As for the alliance part, I concede. You have a point.

they have one who is a loyalist... not part of march 14

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Bebsi

they have one who is a loyalist... not part of march 14

March 14 coalition has 71 MPs to my knowledge. That makes the Jama3a islamiyye as part of it, since its MP is part of this 71 (the rest of the MPs belong to the opposition).

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Bebsi

Anyways tayyar.org just said : "الجماعة الاسلامية": النائب الحوت ليس عضوا في كتلة "المستقبل

So they are not part of the Quatorze movement and they are not part of the FM bloc...

You're right. When you are not in FM you are automatically not in Quatorze.

Because in Quatorze there is only FM...And all other epsilons are FM undercover.

[dyyyy]

an alliance doesn't mean they are part of M14.. FPM has an alliance with M8 is it part of M8?

They're allied, and like it is the right of our opponents to question our alliance with HA anytime HA makes a statement, we have the right to question 14M alliances especially with smthng that dangerous.

Khayye the palestinians dont even have water.. In Sabra the kids play on the burial grounds theres no space... They do lack help, now its not our problem I know but we should try to help at least

of course, we should provide them help and cover at least their basic rights,
but the best way to help them is to fight for "7aq ll 3awdeh".

Now seriously if you are interpreting this statement as a sign of tawtin, then you really are insane! Since this statement is saying that the they should go home, but untill then they deserve basic human rights...

the dangerous part in the statement was "حق التملك"
this is the first step for tawtin!!

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Bebsi

Fine with me as long as you agree that FPM is part of M8...

Not fine here.
In the opposition, some factions admitted they belong to March 8 while others admitted they have nothing to do with March 8. SO in the opposition, u have both sides.
In the loyalist camp, all of them claim to be March 14. Not a single entity has stated it does not belong to March 14, so your entire argument holds no water since for all the loyalists, being a loyalist equals being March 14, while for the opposition, some acknowledge to be March 8 while others deny any connection with March 8 and claim to be the true March 14.

Get the nuance?

[cedarheart]

Originally Posted by LebDocNCali

I am with giving a residency to the palistinians; but not a citizenship. They will contribute to local economy, pay taxes but can't vote or carry a lebanese passport. They are humans after all and need to move on with their lifes.

Let them give up their arms first, accept that the Lebanese Army control the camps, surrender all criminals hiding in their camps, stop extremists training in their camps...

If you give them residency now, they will start asking for citizenship until someone comes in and accepts (just like some are now accepting to give them residency)

[Anny]

Originally Posted by LebDocNCali

I am with giving a residency to the palistinians; but not a citizenship. They will contribute to local economy, pay taxes but can't vote or carry a lebanese passport. They are humans after all and need to move on with their lifes.

I dont support that we give them anything. After what they did since 1975 to the Lebanese people and to our mass emigration from our own country because of their war, I dont support that we gave them anything. They dont deserve anything except sending them to somewhere else or Palestine itself. Sorry it isnt our problem to live with them in the same country and its not our problem if they live in bad conditions.

[Bebsi]

Originally Posted by dyyyy

They're allied, and like it is the right of our opponents to question our alliance with HA anytime HA makes a statement, we have the right to question 14M alliances especially with smthng that dangerous.
the dangerous part in the statement was "حق التملك"
this is the first step for tawtin!!

Aren't forgieners buying land in lebanon? So giving them the right to own land doesnt change anything.... Cause will they ever have enough money to buy anything? Anyways IF tawtin occurs will they vote for Ha, the ones who want to free palestine, or FM the ones who deal with isreal?

[Bebsi]

Originally Posted by Anny

I dont support that we give them anything. After what they did since 1975 to the Lebanese people and to our mass emigration from our own country because of their war, I dont support that we gave them anything. They dont deserve anything except sending them to somewhere else or Palestine itself. Sorry it isnt our problem to live with them in the same country and its not our problem if they live in bad conditions.

You can't blame yasser Arrafat's mistakes in 1975 on children in the camps in 2009 who dont have water and are playing on burial grounds