Tawhid, SSNP, Irslen,......

[agnostic]

example of failure of the Rule of Law:
YouTube - رسالة الشيخ أسامة الرÙ�اعي الى Ø*زب اللآت والعزى

[TTT1]

Originally Posted by Kakou

...yet. There is a solution, but it's too good to be true!
I think that when everbody feel secure, they won't think about arming! But how, in a country where the two ministers who should interfere in such a situation didn't show up yet??!! How? when everyday we hate each other more?

So the solution is when we will have a true State, Nation, Country,...
Not a farm, ranch , restaurant....
Until today, we are still at the very surface of such a scheme!
This is where our hopes fall on FPM .

[chafic]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

Why are these groups armed?

How come they have militias?

Under what right are they occupying FM or whoever's offices, and raiding and staging attacks?

If HA is a resistance and its weapons are mentioned bel bayen el wizari, whats the sifa those other groups have to set up checkpoints and hold weapons and roam the streets?

Why is noone demanding their disarmement?

I havent heard anything about them giving up their weapons to the army?

LebanesePride,

1- What addtional right do Hezbollah or Amal have to hold arms? Who are they exactly resisting?

2- Doesn't them possessing weapons (or to be more exact, organized militias) give the right to FM, PSP, LF or Hezb L Salem to also arm, in the prupose of countering (also known as resisting) any Syrian, Israeli, Tchadian or Peruvian attacks on Lebanon? Of course, they could eventually use them to impose political agendas, or terrorize other groups, but that's a detail.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by chafic

LebanesePride,

1- What addtional right do Hezbollah or Amal have to hold arms?[1] Who are they exactly resisting?[2]

2- Doesn't them possessing weapons (or to be more exact, organized militias) give the right to FM, PSP, LF or Hezb L Salem to also arm, in the prupose of countering (also known as resisting) any Syrian, Israeli, Tchadian or Peruvian attacks on Lebanon?[1] Of course, they could eventually use them to impose political agendas, or terrorize other groups, but that's a detail.[2]

1.1 israeli threats
1.2 israeli domaination and usa destructive ME project
2.1 Self defense is a basic right available for any human being. If they are under threat and if Lebanese Security institutions fail to protect them, it is their right to do the needed to protect themselves
2.2 any abuse is condamnable. Till now, only mowalet abused with using weapons against unarmed people in southern road, in west Beirut or in christian zones

[chafic]

Originally Posted by agnostic

1.1 israeli threats
1.2 israeli domaination and usa destructive ME project
2.1 Self defense is a basic right available for any human being. If they are under threat and if Lebanese Security institutions fail to protect them, it is their right to do the needed to protect themselves
2.2 any abuse is condamnable. Till now, only mowalet abused with using weapons against unarmed people in southern road, in west Beirut or in christian zones

agnostic,

probably you didn't read my second point well. It goes like: Every other Lebanese group, has the right to acquire weapons and build militias to face threats, face political agendas, and self-defense; And of course, implement political agendas by means of force.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by chafic

LebanesePride,

1- What addtional right do Hezbollah or Amal have to hold arms? Who are they exactly resisting?

2- Doesn't them possessing weapons (or to be more exact, organized militias) give the right to FM, PSP, LF or Hezb L Salem to also arm, in the prupose of countering (also known as resisting) any Syrian, Israeli, Tchadian or Peruvian attacks on Lebanon? Of course, they could eventually use them to impose political agendas, or terrorize other groups, but that's a detail.

1- according to them, Israel and anyone who helps Israel (directly or indirectly) defeat them. Shutting down HA's communications network would have paralyzed HA militarily and rendered HN himself very vulnerable to israeli assassination.

2- Are Syria, Tchad, Peru currently occupying lebanese lands? if so, they can carry arms
As for the "political agendas" remark, do HA's actions lately fall under it? Is protecting its communications network (a military asset) a political agenda?



Now for the topic of the thread, LDP, Wahhab and SSNP should not be armed, same as LF, PSP and FM. All these groups should be disarmed. As for HA's weapons, it can not be compared to the rest in any way and needs national dialog bc its weapons do have a noble purpose unlike all the rest.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by chafic

agnostic,

probably you didn't read my second point well. It goes like: Every other Lebanese group, has the right to acquire weapons and build militias to face threats, face political agendas, and self-defense; And of course, implement political agendas by means of force.

NO. they have no right. they had their israeli-saudi-american agenda. it was tolerated till the illegal government took the last decisions. They lost. khalas. Game is over. why is it difficult to understand it?

[TonyFPM]

Some of you forgot about Amal. As far as I am concerned, nobody should have arms. We have an exception called Hezbollah, the MoU should deal with it, but other than the Hizb, nobody should hold arms. The solution for this is to strengthen the lebanese army and to ensure that as much as the lebanese army is somewhere, nobody will dare to hold a gun, thus you can ask all the people to give their arms to the army and impose some sanctions for those who don't. The reinforcement of the lebanese army needs a political decision, but the politicians, especially those in power right now, don't want such a decision right now, because they don't want an strong army that is not 100% with them, and they don't want an army that will forbid them from getting weapons. From the other side, l chabeb taba3 l opposition lli msalla7ine kamena mech ze3lenine. So this leads us to chari3it l ghab.

[chafic]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

1- according to them, Israel and anyone who helps Israel (directly or indirectly) defeat them. Shutting down HA's communications network would have paralyzed HA militarily and rendered HN himself very vulnerable to israeli assassination.

2- Are Syria, Tchad, Peru currently occupying lebanese lands? if so, they can carry arms
As for the "political agendas" remark, do HA's actions lately fall under it? Is protecting its communications network (a military asset) a political agenda?



3- Now for the topic of the thread, LDP, Wahhab and SSNP should not be armed, same as LF, PSP and FM. All these groups should be disarmed. As for HA's weapons, it can not be compared to the rest in any way and needs national dialog bc its weapons do have a noble purpose unlike all the rest.

1- Well, then it seems Nasrallah should retire from involving himself and Lebanon in military conflicts not related to Lebanon, and hand the job to the Lebanese national institutions.
On the other side, according to others, Hezbollah's communication networks and weapons pose a security threat to the Lebanese state. See, we have a failure to communicate here.

2- Syria was occupying Lebanon for 30 years, and can do so anytime in the future; And of course, there's a small part of land that some claim to be Lebanese, yet Syria refuses to admit it . Regarding Tchad and Peru, I heard they are preparing invasion plans too.

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by TonyFPM

Some of you forgot about Amal. As far as I am concerned, nobody should have arms. We have an exception called Hezbollah, the MoU should deal with it, but other than the Hizb, nobody should hold arms. The solution for this is to strengthen the lebanese army and to ensure that as much as the lebanese army is somewhere, nobody will dare to hold a gun, thus you can ask all the people to give their arms to the army and impose some sanctions for those who don't. The reinforcement of the lebanese army needs a political decision, but the politicians, especially those in power right now, don't want such a decision right now, because they don't want an strong army that is not 100% with them, and they don't want an army that will forbid them from getting weapons. From the other side, l chabeb taba3 l opposition lli msalla7ine kamena mech ze3lenine. So this leads us to chari3it l ghab.

always mawa3iz about insificant issues. Let justice and rule of law prevail everywhere. if possible disarm everybody. anyway, hariri, geagea and jumblatt plotted and declared war for the sake of israel-saudi-usa interests. they lost. they should be disarmed from their heavy and midle weapons. this is a minimum. we have all the rights to sue them for their treason and for the crimes and war crimes they committed. we could put place for a nuremberg trial for mowalet leaders. anyway, opposition leaders have chosen to be humble. Hope that mowalet leaders stop their empty arrogance.