Tawhid, SSNP, Irslen,......

[Mr Aoun]

it looks like the re-arming of all groups (other than FPM coz u guys are just too cute to fight) has been taking place for the past 3 years right under our very noses. which makes things worse when one thinks that the PSP and FM could have joined in to fight the Israelis in 06 wa yudefa3o 3an baladon.

[hannaalsayssa]

arms always exist in lebanon
the best is when the army is all over and and create a sense of security
like the way it is hapopening now
no sect will surrender light arms, forget about it
but the heavy ones, maybe now that wj has given them up , hopefully
we can eventually concentrate on HA and try to find a lasting solution.

[Kakou]

Originally Posted by Mr Aoun

... (other than FPM coz u guys are just too cute to fight)...

Aren't we?
In fact, it's not THE LEBANON we are dreaming about! WE ONLY FIGHT STRANGERS!!

[Ignatius]

Originally Posted by X

After what happened last week, it's obvious that most of the political parties have weapons, some only have light weapons, others light and medium and some have heavy weapons.

I don't think anyone will drop the light weapon, this includes M16s and AK47s and let's not fool ourselves, the RPGs and B7s are also available to most of the parties, now i know those are not light weapons, but they can be described as personal weapons.

Anyone can hide RPG or B7 in his house, so lets pretend FPM has weapons (just an example) and FPM decided to surrender it's weapons, i will take home RPGs and B7s and Ak47s and M16s and hide them home, nobody can do anything about that.

The army can not search house by house for weapons.

Unfortunately, there is no solution....

This is a real problem cos it implies that we will always be under he pressur of potential arms
Maybe one thing to do is to control ammunitions rather than controing arms
I mean if you can hid ean AK 47, I guess you cannot hide more than a limited number of bullets or cartridges and this limited number doesn't allow you to raid an opponent's office.

[LebanesePride]

I think as far as FPM is concerned, this should be a much bigger problem.

By principle FPM stands against the concept of militias and for the state.

Hezballah got too big, had too big of a role maybe, so it took years and a MoU and mechel hal and FPM got around it and tried to work out a solution.

But if FPMers arent getting upset anymore when groups theyre allied to hold arms, whoever they are, where are the principles then?

FPM supported this movement, we share a responsibility, we vouch for what these groups are doing.

Do you want to take responsibility for Wi2am Wahhab and a bunch of wanneb street thugs?

[agnostic]

This thread insists on insignificant details to give some inapropriate mawa3iz, in particular after Halba massacre.

Hariri, Jumblatt and Geagea have plotted with israel and usa to crush oppostion like in Halba.

About carrying weapons, all lebanese people have personal weapons. Resistance have all kind of weapons and it is regular to lend weapons to their "Ansar" to protect the Resistance.

It is now legitimate to disarm Hariri, Jumblatt and Geagea.

[LebanesePride]

Originally Posted by agnostic

This thread insists on insignificant details to give some mawa3iz.

FPM is built on those "mawa3iz", as you call them.

Resistance have all kind of weapons and it is regular to lend weapons to their "Ansar" to protect the Resistance.

So if i agree to the weapons of the resistance, i agree to hezballah decicing whenever it wants that anyone can act with its arms on the lebanese soil?

So my MoU was effective on all present and future Hezballah allies?

I dont think so.


And Halba had nothing to do with Israel. It had to do with those "insignificant" details that your larger and oh-so-pragmatic mind cant bother to take notice of.

[Arze]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

True X, but i think the opposition should not have let these groups act under the umbrella of its actions.

We rage about militias but we cant let every guy who gathers 50 people go form his own and raid offices and occupy towns.

What kind of assurance and idea of state are we presenting when every groupuscule that associates itself with the opposition has the freedom to go occupy a town and stop people.

You can call what happened a counter-attack from the opposition side.
We all know that weapons are everywhere in Lebanon
Any one has the money can buy whatever he wants.
Yes sure we rage about militias and most of us was against what happened,, but now we can realize that the agenda and the plan of the loyalist on the 8th May was so dirty and I can guarantee you that they are the one who started the attack on the opposition.
So the act of Wahab/SSNP/Irslan Militia was a reaction ,, a defence ans most likely a counter-attack.

[Arze]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

FPM is built on those "mawa3iz", as you call them.



So if i agree to the weapons of the resistance, i agree to hezballah decicing whenever it wants that anyone can act with its arms on the lebanese soil?

So my MoU was effective on all present and future Hezballah allies?

I dont think so.


And Halba had nothing to do with Israel. It had to do with those "insignificant" details that your larger and oh-so-pragmatic mind cant bother to take notice of.

No my dear friend,,
FPM is not built on those mawa3iz as you're pretending.
FPM party is open to deal with all the other Lebanese parties.
FPM party main aim is to unit all the Lebanese under the Lebanese flag and under the Lebanese constitution li ma 7adan m3abro

Keep the MOU aside plz ,,, because without this MOU only god knows shou kein sar..

[agnostic]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

FPM is built on those "mawa3iz", as you call them.

these mowa3iz are completly inapropriate on time of war and massacres. Self defense is human right above all the maw3iz on which FPM is built on.

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

So if i agree to the weapons of the resistance, i agree to hezballah decicing whenever it wants that anyone can act with its arms on the lebanese soil?

NO. But you should understand that we are in a context of "force majeure". Each rule has exception. When Hariri, Geagea and Jumblatt plott to bring israel and Al-Quaeda to crush opposition people, we have the right to defend ourselves.

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

So my MoU was effective on all present and future Hezballah allies?

I dont think so.

would you elaborate plz. i didn't catch what you mean. Anyway, let the Rule of Law prevail everywhere. you can't point on SSNP getting armed and forget all the rest. Hariri (with his medias and the help of his allies including Gemayel and Geagea) have been working since three years to increase sunni/shi3i division that brings Al-Quaida to lebanon so they could use (at least this is what they think) it against HA.

Again let the rule of Law prevail everywhere.