Tashnag, Armenians, and the Elections

[ZakiNassif]

Armenian,

Thank you for replying to my question. I respect your opinion and your feelings after the elections. We (FPM supporters) also felt how much our disobedience to Hariri cost us in Zahle and Achrafieh, especially that we mainly lost by the sunni vote in Zahle (many of them were parashooted in by el Sabeh and Fatfat.

I understand that it is in Tashnag's best interest to have more MPs, I am just not sure if its in its interest to vote with Hariri in Achrafieh and Zahle in 2009. Because that would mean that instead of fighting him to gain our rights back onto these Kazas (and hence allowing achrafieh to have its own baladiyeh with real armenian representatives, and reducing the sunni vote in zahle so that its demography will go back to the way it is supposed to be) we would be accepting the Hariri rule of law and hence remain under this controlk forever! so I dont know how good it is to do so at this point and how advantageous it is on the long run. But again I have great respect for your opinion and I know you are an independent party that seeks its own interests.

Cheers!

On a side note, Emile_Metn, can you elaborate for us what is the political stand of michel el murr? do you consider him a politician or a big wosikh mafia leader?

[LebArmenian]

Originally Posted by scorpion

it is weird because as I remeber in the past 50 yrs and up to 2005 all tashnaq partisans and fellow armenians were to the bones with Murr and against the opposition! and we had many elections battles in the past were Tashnag+Murr faced the opposition which included at that time FPM, still the turn into fpm lately and full support to them is not so much understood and doesnt seem on solid grounds.

for example I remeber not a long time ago in the 2004 municipal election there were some clashes between tashnaq and fpm, and during the elections of Mirnav.s Gaby where gaby was supported by FPM, tashnaq was hardcore to the bones with Michel Murr and fighting fiercely against fpm...

tachnag partisans were ALWAYS pro aoun. thats why during the 2002 elections in metn,. michel el murr didnt get more then the half of the armenian votes.

[scorpion]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

tachnag partisans were ALWAYS pro aoun. thats why during the 2002 elections in metn,. michel el murr didnt get more then the half of the armenian votes.

ohh you really think so? then why did the below happen in 2004?

"Clashes and confrontations took place between the opposition and the
authoritries, especially in the municipalities of
Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd, Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub, whereas other areas did
not even witness an electoral battle, such as Bourj Hammoud, where the
authority-supported list won uncontested.

A fight between Free Patriotic Movement representatives and some
delegates from Tashnak Party in Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd municipality
resulted in four arrests of Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) supporters.
In addition, a confrontation between delegates from the opposition list
and others from the current municipal council which is backed by the
authorities took place in Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub municipality"

[LebArmenian]

Originally Posted by scorpion

ohh you really think so? then why did the below happen in 2004?

"Clashes and confrontations took place between the opposition and the
authoritries, especially in the municipalities of
Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd, Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub, whereas other areas did
not even witness an electoral battle, such as Bourj Hammoud, where the
authority-supported list won uncontested.

A fight between Free Patriotic Movement representatives and some
delegates from Tashnak Party in Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd municipality
resulted in four arrests of Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) supporters.
In addition, a confrontation between delegates from the opposition list
and others from the current municipal council which is backed by
authorities took place in Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub municipality"

sooo what does this mean ? tashnak are pro murr ? maybe the ones who had that fight were from the 2 thousands that voted for murr

tashnak distributed around 11 thousand listas, all of them had murr in them, 9 thousand of them got scratched ( murr ) and replaced.

the sad part is that some scratched murr without replacing it with rehbani and thats why our brother ghassan rehbani didnt pass.

[RedArmenian]

Originally Posted by LebArmenian

sooo what does this mean ? tashnak are pro murr ? maybe the ones who had that fight were from the 2 thousands that voted for murr

tashnak distributed around 11 thousand listas, all of them had murr in them, 9 thousand of them got scratched ( murr ) and replaced.

the sad part is that some scratched murr without replacing it with rehbani and thats why our brother ghassan rehbani didnt pass.

Correction
the ones who attacked FPM members were Tashnak not the 2000 Voters as you might claim ,if you want and if X lets me i can post some names of the Zaims who attacked FPM members and i can give a name of on well known Armenian Fpmer who went on MTV cursed tashnak.im not starting problem here ,but just telling facts

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Armenian

No, I'm not contradicting myself...

What do you mean not take sides?? Are you implying again that we should not participate in the elections? You should all come out of these kind of statements... How do you feel if I tell you not to vote in 2013? And your family and friends? Would you accept that?

HA and FPM have a MOU. They are allies and voted for each other and will still do in the future... But are HA MPs in the C&R?

HA was never in C&R, Tachnag was
this is a big change of direction
goiing into the president group, when their ally, GMA, have been attacking and insulting this kind of group
Do you thing tis is normal ?

I am not telling you not to vote
I am saying tachnag could have said: Ok, we will be in the president group,
meanwhile, you arminian, vote as you please. We are not going to give voting instructions.

Originally Posted by Armenian

Which promises we didn't respect... Do you care to elaborate please?

How many time did pakradounian stated/promised that tachnaq will be staying in C&R after the election ?
Did they keep this promise ?

On the other hand, Tachnag clearly promised MM they will vote for him if pakradounian has no competition.
Did they keep this promise ?

[RedArmenian]

Originally Posted by e.kid

HA was never in C&R, Tachnag was
this is a big change of direction
goiing into the president group, when their ally, GMA, have been attacking and insulting this kind of group
Do you thing tis is normal ?

I am not telling you not to vote
I am saying tachnag could have said: Ok, we will be in the president group,
meanwhile, you arminian, vote as you please. We are not going to give voting instructions.





How many time did pakradounian stated/promised that tachnaq will be staying in C&R after the election ?
Did they keep this promise ?

On the other hand, Tachnag clearly promised MM they will vote for him if pakradounian has no competition.
Did they keep this promise ?

emm I dont agree with Tashnak everyone knows this but... it was very good blow to MM the Virus

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by scorpion

ohh you really think so? then why did the below happen in 2004?

"Clashes and confrontations took place between the opposition and the
authoritries, especially in the municipalities of
Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd, Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub, whereas other areas did
not even witness an electoral battle, such as Bourj Hammoud, where the
authority-supported list won uncontested.

A fight between Free Patriotic Movement representatives and some
delegates from Tashnak Party in Jdeideh-Boushrieh-Sadd municipality
resulted in four arrests of Free Patriotic Movement (FPM) supporters.
In addition, a confrontation between delegates from the opposition list
and others from the current municipal council which is backed by the
authorities took place in Zalka-Amarat Shalhoub municipality"

So you're tying a "neswan el foron" tale to cooperation between 2 parties, and suggesting that because of this "x kicked y a$$" story relations should remain static?

Interesting outlook.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by e.kid

I am not telling you not to vote
I am saying tachnag could have said: Ok, we will be in the president group,
meanwhile, you arminian, vote as you please. We are not going to give voting instructions

This party will always give instructions to their supporters to guide them in everyday life and not only voting period as some of the parties do in Lebanon. Giving instructions during voting or not giving it is something between the party and its loyal supporters. Let no one interfer in it...

Originally Posted by e.kid

How many time did pakradounian stated/promised that tachnaq will be staying in C&R after the election ?
Did they keep this promise ?

And who said we won't be in C&R...

I answered to a question my friend Zaki had asked and gave my PERSONAL opinion. That has nothing to do with reality.

So they will keep their promise, don't worry...

Originally Posted by e.kid

On the other hand, Tachnag clearly promised MM they will vote for him if pakradounian has no competition.
Did they keep this promise ?

13 700 Armenian voted in Metn, around 10700 voted for Tashnag.

Tashnag electoral machine gave out 10 700 list with MM name on it. From these people only 2200 wanted to give him the vote.

What did you want us to do, put a gun on their head?

Whenever we vote as a block, people accuse us, and whenever people chose who they want to vote freely...people again accuse us..." 7terna"...

So again, we as a party kept our promise...

And as I said before, MM won with our votes...

Thank you!!

[scorpion]

Originally Posted by RedArmenian

Correction
the ones who attacked FPM members were Tashnak not the 2000 Voters as you might claim ,if you want and if X lets me i can post some names of the Zaims who attacked FPM members and i can give a name of on well known Armenian Fpmer who went on MTV cursed tashnak.im not starting problem here ,but just telling facts

Thank you,

Memory of Lebanese people is tooo short, and Tashnag partisana all think that fpm is in love with them not because they made him win the elections...

Do you think that if Tshnaq decides to become neutral or see that they want to join M14, FPM and its partisans will still love Tashnag and defend them?? "like they used to defend them before 2005"