Tashnag, Armenians, and the Elections

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Dear Zaki,

I didn't want to express my opinion concerning this issue as it might not be pleasant to most of my dear forumers, but as you asked, I will give my PERSONAL opinion about the issue...

The same night of the elections, after the results were out, I was sitting with some officials and the first thing I said was that the best thing the leadership can do now is to leave C&R ( of course by having perfect relations with them) and join the President's block...

I know that some might not agree with me, and I'm not sure if it's possible in the first place, but for the interest of the Armenians in Lebanon, that's my opinion...

LOOOOLLL@ President Bloc. I have no idea which bloc tachnag will be in,
but if they decide to leave the bloc Im all for opening a new page with
Kataeb and allying with them in the 2013 elections. see I only care about
the maronites interests. We would beat tachnag in all the christan areas
and you will end up with zero mps. Thats what happens when your priority
is "Armenian" interests and not "Lebanese" ones. Thank you!

[Armenian]

As I said before, the opinion I gave was my personal one and a reaction to the results just the night of the elections... You didn't need to give all answers as you should respect other's opinions and try to understand it and try to be in other people's shoes...

For all of you who tried to say that we care about the Armenian interest more than the Lebanese one, well here is the answer

النائب بقرادونيان: تحالفاتنا مع عون ليست موسمية ولم نندم على تقسيم بيروت

نفى النائب اغوب بقرادونيان في حديثه إلى الـ"، أن يكون حزب الطاشناق ندم على تقسيم دائرة بيروت، لافتاً إلى أن مصلحة لبنان فوق كلّ اعتبار.

وعلّق بقرادونيان على الخطاب السياسي لقوى 14 آذار في فترة ما قبل الإنتخابات، متسائلاً "هل كانت ستبقى السماء زرقاء، إذا ما كانوا خسروا الإنتخابات؟"، لافتاً إلى ان " خطابنا في خلال الإنتخابات كان هادئاً ومحدداً ."

وأكد بقرادونيان أن "عملنا مع التيار "الوطني الحر" ورئيس تكتل "التغيير والإصلاح" العماد ميشال عون قبل الإنتخابات قدر المستطاع، والإنتخابات ليست نهاية الدنيا"، مؤكداً أن "تحالفاتنا مع عون ليست موسمية، ولا تنبع سياسة العرض الأفضل مع بقية الأفرقاء، قلنا مواقفنا ومبادئنا وتحالفاتنا الثابتة في السياسة".


وقال بقرادونيان "هناك خيبة أمل كبيرة من الإنتخابات ولم نكن ننتظر هذا السقوط ولا اريد ان ادخل في سجال مع الرئيس المر واذا كان هناك خطأ في الانتخابات ، فلا تزال الامور الشخصية جيدة، ونحن نتبرأ من كلام النائب السابق عن زحلة جورج قصارجي حول تحميل الخسارة للنائب ميشال عون وان حزب الطاشناق تأثر بمناخ العماد عون".

Thank you!!

[SamerTayyar]

Armenian, I was replying to your personal opinion and not tachnag's one. care
to explain why joining the "Presidents Bloc" is in the Armenian's interests? you
have 27 mps in the C&R bloc, why join a non existing bloc?

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Emile_Metn

You are not alone.

We are in contact with a lot of kawedir bel tashnaq, w fi jaww jdid after the elections to get Armenians out of this Istifaf, and join the pro-President block.

Emile_Metn, with all due respect, please stop this non-sense.

No one is in contact with any kawader of the party. By saying that you just proved that you know nothing about this party as everyone knows that no one can influence anyone from outside the party.

Originally Posted by e.kid

Why wait so long
Why didnt you take that decision one month ago and got 2 more MPs in your kétlé

Dear e.kid,

If new elections are held today, we will again vote for the same people... Mesh nedmenin and our heads are high and most importantly proud of our choice...

If we wanted 2 or 3 more MPs, we could have accepted Hariri's deal, took some millions and some MPs... Well maybe it's normal to do it in Lebanon but not for Tashnag.

GMA was the only one who protected us and thought about us when others were busy writing racist statements against us....

Thank you!!

[Red Phoenix]

to be fully honest in 2006 i as an independent aounist fell in love with HA

after the elections of 2009 i also fell in love with tashnaq

cuz i respect people i can call brothers of honor.

that is something that for me is holy, honest brothers who have your back in times of need when many others just sold u out.

i know tashnaq ended up with just 2 mps but i fully support what gma said that tashnaq should consider that it has 27mps now

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

Armenian, I was replying to your personal opinion and not tachnag's one. care
to explain why joining the "Presidents Bloc" is in the Armenian's interests? you
have 27 mps in the C&R bloc, why join a non existing bloc?

Samer, thanks for clarifying that...

Our position for the past 80 years was next to the president, and this only changed in 2000.

What I suggested is to go back to that position, and that doesn't mean at all being against this or that. If new election is to be held, we will decide who to vote for the same way we did in 2009.

Armenians can't handle to have big enemies and big confrontation. FPM can handle that. We cannot and must not be dragged to big electoral fights and in the end the result will be on the expense of the Armenians, unfortunately like 2009.

Sometimes before replying to any opinion try to put yourself in other people's shoe and say in your head, what would I do??!!

So If you were in the Tashnag leadership what would you do?? The only thing sure is that we cannot keep everything as it is now... No one can understand what the results of 2009 meant to us unless you were inside and saw what kind of work was being held... You only know 10% of it from the media.

Thank you!!

[Emile_Metn]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Emile_Metn, with all due respect, please stop this non-sense.

No one is in contact with any kawader of the party. By saying that you just proved that you know nothing about this party as everyone knows that no one can influence anyone from outside the party.

Who said anything about influencing tashnaq ?

yalle 3am 2oulo enno dawlet el ra2iss khadam el moujtama3 el armaneh since 30 years, w 3atool yiji ittisalet el tashnaq badna khidme kaza badna tozbita kaza w y2ellon bi2amerkoun. Because of that we still have friends in Tashnaq elon kelmeton, w yalle 3am 2oulo enno ur not alone in Tashnaq that thinks that the party should be Pro-President. I wasnt saying that anyone influence tashnaq.

I hope u heard ur MP today calling moutalabit aoun bi 50% bel chrsitian government share as "don quichotte".

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Emile_Metn

Who said anything about influencing tashnaq ?

yalle 3am 2oulo enno dawlet el ra2iss khadam el moujtama3 el armaneh since 30 years, w 3atool yiji ittisalet el tashnaq badna khidme kaza badna tozbita kaza w y2ellon bi2amerkoun. Because of that we still have friends in Tashnaq elon kelmeton, w yalle 3am 2oulo enno ur not alone in Tashnaq that thinks that the party should be Pro-President. I wasnt saying that anyone influence tashnaq.

I hope u heard ur MP today calling moutalabit aoun bi 50% bel chrsitian government share as "don quichotte".

First of all, He's not my MP, but the MP of all Metn and Lebanon

Second of all, there's no difference at all between The MP and the Tashnag partisans " yalle elon kelmeton". The only thing that made us survive 120 years is our unity.

Third of all, Lebanon is not a farm anymore and doesn’t work on khadamet ou " touzbitat" as you called it. Lebanon work with its " Mou2assaset" and we are under that umbrella now.

Don't forget that the alliance with FPM was not an electoral alliance but a political one, and nothing will change that...

Thank you!!

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Dear e.kid,

If new elections are held today, we will again vote for the same people... Mesh nedmenin and our heads are high and most importantly proud of our choice...

If we wanted 2 or 3 more MPs, we could have accepted Hariri's deal, took some millions and some MPs... Well maybe it's normal to do it in Lebanon but not for Tashnag.

GMA was the only one who protected us and thought about us when others were busy writing racist statements against us....

Thank you!!

Aren't you contradicting yourself ?
If that is the case, than why leave the bloc npw for an hypotical "president bloc"
you vote for aoun, stay with aoun
you think your best interest is to join an independant president bloc, yhan why take side in the election ?
why make promises you could not even respect ? to both sides BTW.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by e.kid

Aren't you contradicting yourself ?
If that is the case, than why leave the bloc npw for an hypotical "president bloc"
you vote for aoun, stay with aoun
you think your best interest is to join an independant president bloc, yhan why take side in the election ?
why make promises you could not even respect ? to both sides BTW.

No, I'm not contradicting myself...

What do you mean not take sides?? Are you implying again that we should not participate in the elections? You should all come out of these kind of statements... How do you feel if I tell you not to vote in 2013? And your family and friends? Would you accept that?

HA and FPM have a MOU. They are allies and voted for each other and will still do in the future... But are HA MPs in the C&R?

Which promises we didn't respect... Do you care to elaborate please?

Thank you!!